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Per discussion in Buna/Bojana river.

At the end of this discussion, we'll have to go with names in English. "Cem River" gives 56 hits [1] and "Cijevna River" gives 3 only [2].--sulmues (talk) 02:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just repeated your searches, and got 35 for Cem and 20 for Cijevna. Strange. I also see many false hits ("Cem" as abbreviation for "cemetery", for instance). Of the 35 Cem hits, I can only confirm 5. I see 13 valid Cijevna hits. I guess we should move it back then. Markussep ^Talk 16:06, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed strange. Well, I moved it from the hidious Cemi/Cijevna. Now this is really the river for a name dispute because it originates in Albania, goes to Montenegro, comes back to a lake separated between Albania and Montenegro through Moraca and then goes into the Buna River (that is split between the two countries). I'll leave it to your expertise. --Sulmues ^(talk) 16:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right that the double name was hideous. I'm not sure what would be the best name, I think the part of the river in Montenegro is longer, and also in a more populated area. Markussep ^Talk 19:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wish you could have this reasoning as well for Buna. If this river changes to the Montenegrin name, then Buna should change into the Albanian name for this reasoning: 3/4ths of Buna are in Albania. --Sulmues ^(talk) 06:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there is serious problem with Google Search results presented by indef banned editor.

• Cijevna river Montenegro Albania -wikipedia -Llc - 17 GBS hits
• cem river Montenegro Albania -wikipedia -Llc - 4 related hits

Conclusion: Cijevna is much more common name in English language.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I tagged this section with unresolved tag per Template:Unresolved: to give a visual hint to readers of talk page items that a topic contains important unresolved issues.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:57, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure about other varieties of English but as a typical Brit who likes rivers but does not know much about them to me the word "discharge" has an association of something leaving something else. For example "He was honourable discharged from the army." (person leaving army) or "When scrapping an electric car the battery must first be discharged." (electricity leaving battery). So in this article as a casual reader I would expect the word "discharge" to refer to water leaving a river (or perhaps pollutants leaving a factory on the river bank "discharged into the river").

The only sentence I can see which fits that is "As Cem pours into Morača, it can contribute up to 35 m3/s (1,200 cu ft/s) to the total discharge of 210 m3/s (7,400 cu ft/s) of that river into Lake Shkodra." referring to water leaving the Morača.

So to avoid confusion would it make sense to replace all the other "discharge" in the article with "streamflow"? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the interesting question. When referring to fluvial hydrology, discharge (hydrology) has to do with a specific measurement at a cross-sectional area. So, Measurements at Tamarë, where the confluence with Cem of Selcë is located, show an average discharge of 13.99–14.4 m3/s (494–509 cu ft/s) must necessarily use the term "discharge" because that is what is being measured. The term "discharge" when it is mentioned in the article refers to a specific discharge calculation. --Maleschreiber (talk) 22:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am still a bit confused. The Discharge (hydrology) article says a fluvial hydrologist studying natural river systems may define discharge as streamflow, and I see they are both measured in cubic meters per second. In the sentence you quote it seems the the measurement might refer to the flow of water OUT OF the Cem of Selcë but as written I find it a little unclear. I am not saying it is necessary for GA but if you are going to improve the article further how about requesting a schematic from Wikipedia:Graphics Lab showing the confluences and flow rates - perhaps represented by width of a blue line? I guess you are an expert - if there is a difference in this article between "discharge" and "streamflow" what exactly is it? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Cem river valley in Tamarë

• ... that the Cem river in the borderlands of Albania and Montenegro is home to more than a quarter of the total plant species which have been identified in both countries? Marojević, Jelena (2014). "Plani i veprimit të përbashkët për mbrojtjen ekologjike të lumit Cem dhe zhvillimi i qendrueshëm mjedisor në zonën ndërkufitare [Mapping of common action plan for trans-border protection of Cem]" (PDF). GreenHome (in Albanian). Albania-Montenegro CrossBorder Cooperation Programme.

"(..) 40% of the total flora species which have been identified in Albania, which makes it one of the regions with the highest biodiversity in Europe, about 380 species/100km² and IBA Montenegro: "The Canyon has 813 species of plants registered so far, accounting for a quarter of the total flora of the country."

Improved to Good Article status by Maleschreiber (talk). Self-nominated at 01:19, 13 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

substantial article on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed and desirable. - In the article, I don't know if a bird in captivity is a good illustration. Please indicate language in references other than English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]