Talk:Conn Smythe

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Good articleConn Smythe has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
March 18, 2010Good article nomineeListed
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"After a dispute with management, he bought the Leafs"? From what I've heard, the Rangers fired him, he bet his savings on a hockey game, won, & bought the TO St Patricks, which he renamed the Leafs. If true & confirmed, I'd include it--if only because it's more interesting. Also, he promised to win the Stanley Cup in 5yr, & did it, in 1932. Trekphiler 19:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, anon here. I think some info about Conn Smythe and his comment about Herb Canegie should be made. It was quite a remark, even though it wasn't too bad at the time.

"I'd give anyone $10,000 if they could turn Herb Carnegie white."

GA Review

This review is
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Reviewer:

Talk · Contribs) 04:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Review forthcoming.

Talk · Contribs) 04:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
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OK. This article is generally good, and should pass GA without much difficulty. I think you'll run into serious opposition if your aim is higher, though, as the prose is not what I could call brilliant.

here
for criteria)
  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality: Reasonably, yes, but the prose is awfully choppy in places, and contained some decidedly informal phrases that I have already edited out ("U of T," "he was a one-man band" among them). I'd encourage a peer review or WikiProject collaboration to try to work through these. I'll point out some remaining rough patches in a later edit. I'm unsure if there's actually a codified guideline against it, but the present-tense verbs in the section headers sounded extremely informal. I'd try not to use verbs in section headers at all, but present tense verbs in description of events that took place early last century are especially odd. Feel free to change the headers I have inserted, especially if I have inadvertently distorted the meaning. Additionally, I have edited out instances of the conditional as a past tense in favor of the simple past ("he became..." is preferable to "he would become..." and especially preferable to "he would go on to become...")
    I may go back for more examples, but a lot of the remaining prose is like this. I've already passed it for this review, as it is reasonably good, the standard necessary for GA, but if your aim is an eventual FA a great deal of work is needed.
    Talk · Contribs) 05:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    B. MOS compliance: No problems.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources: The structure is sound.
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary: Obviously, I have no way of checking the sources themselves, and must
    cn
    }}. It should be a simple matter to put a small bracketed superscripted number next to them.
    C. No original research: Again, can't really check this, since I don't have the books cited. No problem, though.
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused: Exemplary
  4. Is it
    neutral
    ?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have
    fair use rationales: I'm unsure that File:Conn Smythe 1944 statement.png
    is actually necessary or helpful, given that the statement appears in the article prose, but I won't ask for its removal.
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with
    alternative text
    : ALT text is not technically required for GA, so I can't fail the article if it's not added, but I strongly suggest its addition.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail: While I used the onhold symbol, I don't think a formal hold will be necessary. Just take care of the few cleanup tags I have put on the article and it should be good to pass. Any prose that remains to be picked out, as described above, does not keep this article from GA status.
    Talk · Contribs) 05:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
    ]

Thank you for your work in reviewing this article. I have worked on the citations and believe that that aspect is covered now. I will add the alt text for the images. The prose can be improved; I see that now after re-reading the article. Much of the article was not written by me and I should have scrutinized the text more closely. At this point, I am not close to working on it for FA. I believe it needs more secondary sources, rather than relying on Smythe's memoirs, as I do for much of this article to be an FA. That said, I will work on some of the prose you've noted. Again, thanks. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 22:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I always have FA standards in the back of my mind when doing a GA review, but I guess not everyone has that goal with every article.
Talk · Contribs
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Added the alt text to the images. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go ahead and clear ya for takeoff, as there's nothing terribly wrong with the article and it certainly gives a good picture of its subject.

Talk · Contribs) 07:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Use of historic front-page newspaper image

The use of the front-page image is used to significantly improve the understanding of the subject. That his letter made front-page news, and caused a scandal is illustrated by the front-page placement of the article. This was during the conscription crisis in Canada during WW2. Any opinions on this are welcome. Alaney2k (talk) 13:24, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While the fact that his letter made front page news is strictly replaceable by text, in this instance, I believe that the image of the prominent placement on the front page adds to the reader's understanding of the accompanying text's description of how the Globe and Mail publisher may have been using Smythe to advance his own political purposes and I would recommend retaining the image in the article. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About the

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Enlistment photo

Confused: image of Smythe enlisting is tagged as public domain in the US, under the rationale that it was "published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1923." Image clearly describes Conn Smythe as enlisting for World War II - which certainly wouldn't have happened before 1923 - and further states it was taken in 1939. Bringing it up here since people are already discussing other image usage for this section, and I'm not that fluent in Public Domain criteria on the Commons. Echoedmyron (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming that the Canadian public domain licensing is correct, the commons image should likely be re-tagged as
Template:PD-1996. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

Use of File:Maple Leaf Gardens 1930.jpg on this article

This file is in use on this article, but no prose exists discussing the image. There is no relevance of this image to the article, and as a non-free image fails criteria #8 of

WP:NFCC. The building still exists today, and there are many free images of it available at Maple Leaf Gardens. The image file contains a rationale that claims its need of being used is to "Illustrate subject for article". It isn't the subject of the article, nor is there any explanation why we must have this image instead of any of the free images that could serve the save purpose. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

If the date of creation was in fact 1930 in Canada, the image may very well be
Template:PD-1996 in the US. Unless and until the author updates the licensing, if appropriate, I recommend replacing the image with File:MapleLeafGardens1934.jpg which has complete licensing as public domain in both countries. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply
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