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The L C-J is the "de facto newspaper for the state"? I would think that distinction goes to the Lexington Herald-Leader. Certainly oustside the commonwealth The L C-J is much more highly esteemed, but my feeling as a lifelong resident is that the LHL is much more widely read in much of the state.

(unsigned comment above by SonPraises 02:26 22 September 2005)

It seemed POV to me when I edited the stub a few months ago....but since it had been there since August of 2004, I didn't feel I should remove it as I had no circulation data or statistics comparing the various news agencies within the state. The paper could arguably be the de facto paper for the region (Kentuckiana--I live here and its all we have of this type), but I would think nearby cities/towns would take just as much offense to the statement as the LHL readership would. I would suggest removing the statement altogether in lieu of some other wording such as "the paper with the largest circulation in Kentucky" or some such thing--again need verifiable numbers. One would think that the Covington area also has their own "de facto" paper just as our neighboring Lexington does. -Roby Wayne Talk • Hist 02:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I did some checking; my source isn't the most up to date, but according to the 2000 World Almanac, the LCJ was the 46th largest paper in the US with a circulation of just over 224,000 The LHL, had half the circulation and the 94th largest circulation in the US.

I wasn't suggesting editing the page, but I was raised in Eastern Kentucky where the LHL is the daily paper for those getting one. LCJ newstands are few and far between in the eastern part of the state. I now live in Northern Kentucky and often venture to Cincinnati. The LCJ is unavailable except through mail subscriptions. I would subscribe to the LHL but the paper is a day late, and if my mail runs early then I won't get the paper from the day before. However, there are LHL newstands--not many as the dominate papers for Northern Kentucky are the Kentucky editions of the Cincinnati papers.

My feeling is that the LCJ is much more highly esteemed outside the state than inside the state. I often see the LCJ quoted when news breaks in Kentucky with a national interest. The Cincinnati Enquirer runs blurbs of editorials from papers across in a sidebar on their editorial page, and the LCJ is often featured, but I've yet to see the LHL featured.

I have noticed that Newsweek often picks up Joel Pett's political cartoon from the LHL. It seems to be the only national distinction afforded the LHL.

I understand these are personal feelings and opinions and do not justify insertion into an objective article, but I just wanted to voice them on the "Discussion" page, alerting readers that there are alternate viewpoints.

SonPraises

As a former newspaper reporter from Kentucky (with two friends on the C-J staff and one on the LHL staff), I would say that the C-J is still the state's dominant newspaper overall. It is not as much so now as it was under the Bingham media empire -- the Binghams took great pride in the fact that the same-day (as opposed to delayed) edition on the C-J was available in all 120 counties of Kentucky. I'm not sure that's still true under Gannett's management, but in my travels across the Commonwealth, I would still say that the C-J has more sales and more editorial influence than the Herald-Leader. The LHL is hard to buy in the western part of the state, whereas the C-J is still omnipresent.
I also think that the C-J carries more weight among the state's movers and shakers. If your secretary buzzes you and says there's a reporter for the Courier-Journal on line one, you're more likely to take the call than one from the LHL. Having said all that, the Herald-Leader has come a long way in recent years, and has done much to make inroads on the C-J's dominance, particularly since the Binghams sold the paper. The Herald-Leader and its predecessors were always good papers, but not many people outside of the Lexington area knew that. I think the first thing that made some folks wake up and take a look at the LHL was when columnist Billy Reed left the C-J for Lexington. If the move had been in the opposite direction, few would have noticed.
As for the Cincinnati Enquirer often running editorial blurb (not to mention entire stories) from the C-J, that likely stems from their common ownership by Gannett. Even from my present home in Alabama (ugh!), I've noticed in my daily reading of both papers' web sites that the Enquirer (cincinnati.com) often reruns C-J stories these days.
Realkyhick 20:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Revisiting "de facto" state newspaper.... At one time the L C-J was the only "state wide" newspaper. Before the Gannett purchase the C-J ran daily editions that covered (and were delivered) the entire state. I'd say the 60s and 70s were easily the time when the C-J was a leader in state news coverage. As the Barry Bingham, Jr. and later, Gannett, tried to keep up profit margins the C-J pulled back from statewide delivery and coverage. Chuck Welch

This sounds about right. I'd welcome content about this in the article as long as it was sourced.
Talk • Work 21:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply
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Also, on the "de facto" state newspaper situation... I know it's been settled, but I can give a different perspective on it, because I spent my teenage years in Paducah. The C-J was, and still is, widely available in the Purchase area, and to this day there are a fair number of C-J boxes in Paducah. On the other hand, the Herald and Leader were all but unavailable there, and this is still true for the H-L. — Dale Arnett 03:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have lived in KY for 40 years, and the notion that the Courier Journal is the "de facto state newspaper" is ridiculous. It's readership is particularly limited in N. KY. The Courier-Journal has a very liberal editorial stance(it is very out of step politically with the state as a whole and has, to my knowledge, only endorsed a Republican candidate, Anne Northup, one time in the past twenty years), and that has limited its appeal in the northern part of the state, which is by far the most conservative part of Kentucky. I was born in Covington and lived in Florence for the first twenty years of my life, and I can say, without exaggeration, that I have never seen a newspaper machine selling the Courier in that part of the state, ever. Moreover, the instances where I have seen it for sale in gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores, etc. in that area are very, very few. The northern part of KY is dominated by the Kentucky Post and the Cincinnati Enquirer. The Lexington Herald Leader is far, far more common in N. KY than the Courier-Journal. Also, the claim that most people in Louisville refer to the Courier-Journal as "the CJ" is not accurate. I have lived in Louisville for 20 years now, and I don't think I have ever heard it called "the C-J". Everyone I know simply refers to it as "the Courier".74.134.145.218 (talk) 20:27, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add on to this discussion: In the book "Kentucky Politics and Government" by Penny M. Miller I come across this: 

 "As noted, the Louisville Courier-Journal was traditionally another unifying institution in the state. Although mayn localities had weekly newspapers, the Courier-Journal was delivered everywhere. In recent decades, however, TV markets carve up the state -- coming out of the big population centers, includeing out-of-state metropolitan areas (Knoxville, Nashville, and Memphis, Tennessee; Cincinnati, Ohio; Evansville,Indiana; Huntington, West Virginia). Also, the Lexington Herald-Leader now views itself as a contending statewide paper; therefore, both newspapers have a broad reach, the Herald-Leader primarily in the eastern half of Kentucky and the Courier Journal in the western half."  -- Book dated 1994

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Here's just a few recent examples of The Courier-Journal being referred to as The C-J (it's easy to google it):

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The Courier-Journal → Courier Journal – The nameplate no longer includes the hyphen and extra word. I think they were dropped somewhere between January 2013 and March 2015, based on an image search for examples of the front page. For an example article, see this. 2600:1700:6F20:8A60:C52E:59A1:58ED:C970 (talk) 22:28, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Not that it hugely matters but I just looked at the PDF archives of the CJ available through the
LFPL website. The change actually occurred on October 30, 2017. So October 29, 2017 was the last with the "The". On the 30th there was a front page article announcing there was a "Digital brand refresh" of the newspaper with changes to the website, social media account, and "newspaper's flag" (which I think means the same thing as nameplate). It doesn't go into any particular detail about the change, it's a short article. But as this is the newspaper's name now, there would seemingly be no reason not to do this move. --Here2rewrite (talk) 03:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks for digging that up. I figured out why I got the date range wrong. The front page images I had found in the range of March 2015 – October 2017 were for a different newspaper with the same name (founded in 1884 and known as the Florence Herald until 1982). The other newspaper has a website at https://courierjournal.net. However, that other newspaper is not as notable, and there is no article devoted to it on Wikipedia. I found only a brief mention of it in the article about Florence, Alabama. 2600:1700:6F20:8A60:C52E:59A1:58ED:C970 (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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