Talk:Crown Prince Sado

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Need dates...and more information? Shyland 14:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, no, no. This is not the Prince Sado Koreans learn in schools right now. First of all, Prince Sado was not mentally ill.

The late Joseon period was full of political fights. There were many different parties controlling the government, and Kings had no power.

After the powerless King Sukjong's attempt to restore the government failed, Yeongjo led the 'Tangpyeong reform' to lessen each parties' power.

However, Prince Sado, who Yeongjo was very fond of (as he was intelligent), became a leading member of a party... In Joseonwangjosillok, it says that the government was soon divided into two parties: the father party, and the son party.

This left Yeongjo no choice but to dispatch Sado, and he did.

.......This is what I learned in middle school............

                  Rttrt (talk) 11:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We need sources. The one we have (and we only have one) doesn't seem like the most reliable source around, but that's all we have. Can dig up your middle school textbook? Readin (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"But later on Yeongjo discovers that his son was not mentally ill with the help of Jeongjo and that he was "set up" by Yeongjo's wife the queen and the other politicians of this time. Yeongjo then deeply regrets his mistake on killing his son Sado."

This sounds like something that may have come from the recently popular Korean drama

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no this is the truth, I have read the scrolls of sado's letter to yeongjo in a museum in the conutry side of kohung in korea and it proves that Sado was not a mad man or a criminal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.113.163 (talk) 13:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original research is not valid... --81.38.120.138 (talk) 11:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The memoirs of Sado's wife dispute that claim (The Memoirs of Lady Hyegyǒng). It should be deleted. She said he did kill people, tried patricide, and had clothing phobia (Probably a form of obsessive compulsive disorder). She said it was regrettable from her POV, however, something necessary for the Kingdom.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As Crown Prince Sado was never crowned king, his wife's name shouldn't really be translated as queen...her official title would have been wangsaejabin, or saejabin (Crown Princess Consort). As the mother of the king, she would have been known as budaebuin, Grand Internal Princess. In Yi San (I know, I know, it's not a proper historical source but surely they got some things right) she is known as ping gung when Sado is still alive and immediately after his death and hae bin after that. Ping gung is used through that drama for princess consorts of any kind (it is used for Lady Hyoui, Jeongjo's first wife, before he is crowned) and hae bin I presume means Princess Dowager. So shouldn't we change her title in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.250.1 (talk) 12:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Might have been a posthumous title along with the honorary "Emperor" title... so I would verify before altering. People keep adding things to this article without sources. Please add sources for the "He was not insane" because there is a very solid source to show that he was, but not for the other side.--Hitsuji Kinno

I've flagged this one as a multiple issues; if an editor with some knowledge in the field were to delete the body text and write a briefer, but well referenced piece, that may be the best solution. Standard Wikipedia issues noted in addition to very poor grammar: - Story - Section - Lead missing - Overly detailed - Incoherent - Weasel - Citations missing - Unreferenced Helenabella (talk) 11:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Material added by User:Rivercsoil is the exact cut and paste of a block of about 140 phrases obtained from the web site "Mad Monarchs^[1]". Moreover, this material was *clearly* tagged as a non free, copyrighted one. Deleted. Pldx1 (talk) 10:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Among the multiple issues of this article, the phrase he wantonly killed people is regularly reverted into he want only killed people. This results into killing the grammar, and the meaning as well. Does really Prince Regent Jangheon 장헌세자 just wanted to kill people... or do we have just another instance of some not involved editor wantonly modifying something she doesn't understand ? Pldx1 (talk) 09:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CONTAINS references. And justifies her opinion by arguing this would be a circular reference. But this is not the case. Saying that another article contains references, is only a simple, flat, and verifiable fact. The article exists and gives four EXTERNAL and BONA FIDE references. About Yungneung_and_Geolleung. If you dislike the external references given in the article, please, explain why !

If you only want to copy these references here, into the Crown Prince Sado article, be bold and do it yourself.

As a side remark, it is amusing to only contest a non-controversial part of the article. Prince Jangheon has existed. Do you really contest this historical fact ? And he was buried somewhere, instead of being incinerated or left to the crows. Do you really contest this other historical fact ? The place of the definitive burial of the deceased Prince Sado is Yungneung. Do you really contest this third historical fact ? The answer is cristall clear: non wikipedia (and therefore trustworthy) references are given in article

. They cover all these three facts and even the GPS coordinates given, allowing anybody to go there, have a picnic and take some photos.

Perhaps, User:Bgwhite could exert her patrolling skills with the section "Taboo and Reinstatement" ? Pldx1 (talk) 23:15, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CIRC

, Do not use articles from Wikipedia as sources..

One never uses Wikipedia as a ref unless talking about Wikipedia. Wikipedia is unreliable as anyone can edit. Like other unreliable refs, you don't use them. Also, other articles can be deleted or have their references changed. Copy the appropriate refs from the other article. Bgwhite (talk) 23:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bgwhite should be bold and copy by herself the appropriate references from the other article (or even suppress the whole incriminated section as unreferenced ?). Pldx1 (talk) 00:05, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can stop insulting me and do it yourself. I'm done talking as I refuse to talk to someone who insults others. Bgwhite (talk) 00:29, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At

Template:Better_source, the User:Bgwhite

could have found some advice. Let us quote this page

If no citation is given, use the {{Citation needed}} tag instead.

If you have the time and ability to find a better reference, please do so. Then correct the citation yourself, or correct the article text. After all, the ultimate goal is not to merely identify problems, but to fix them.

Another advice. This user should have written you can stop insulting me^{[citation needed]} and do it yourself instead of you can stop insulting me and do it yourself. But, perhaps, this angry reaction comes from being remembered that Wikipedia can be edited and fixed by anyone, even by a Galactic Patroller. Pldx1 (talk) 07:41, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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