Talk:Dave Stewart (Eurythmics)

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Rythm1's edits (as tagged above)

Rationale for the above statement: Many of the fan sites have been proven to be registered by Interscope Records or do not seem to be entirely independent. Rythm1 spammed all the sites who are suspect in this edit: [1] Since those websites all contain the same material which has been proven to be false and there are other edits especially on Platinum Weird which are suspect, there is reason to believe that people are editing this page and other pages related to Platinum Weird on behalf of either David A. Stewart and/or Interscope Records. Any removal of sourced data or spreading of the misinformation should therefore be regarded as vandalism and dealt with accordingly. KittenKlub 12:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is the £3,600 auction price for the Bechstein piano correct? It seems like a very low price, even for a piano without this one's pedigree. Tom Duff 19:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Talking (1990) and Heart of Stone (1994) should be the best known single from Dave A. Stewart. Don't you think it would be good to mention them? (details: e.g. http://www.discogs.com/artist/David+A.+Stewart?anv=Dave+Stewart)

Playing guitar for..

Alisha's Attic? this site [2] mentions him. or someone with the same name? Is this likely? —The preceding

unsigned comment was added by -Anthony- (talk • contribs) 08:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC).[reply
]

Absolutely, DAve actually helped Alisha's Attic get off the ground, and did a lot of photography for their single and album covers.

See www.eurythmics.me.uk in the discography for more details.

drug use

The page currently refers to Stewart as "taking copious amounts of recreational drugs". That sort of accusation needs to be sourced, and I am removing for now which is a pityCAVincent 08:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


It's not an "accusation": Stewart divulged this information about himself on a approximately year-old Howard Stern interview, but I'll leave it to someone else to prove that as I have no means to provide an easy way to access nor properly cite said interview. Armadillo01 (talk) 07:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax

This article is full of incorrrect statments, repeatedly added by anonymous users. A bot prevents me from restoring the article to what seems to be a correct version. /92.254.216.231 (talk) 14:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Hoax tag is specifically for articles about non-existant subjects. David A. Stewart is really the guy from Eurhythmics, so this article is not a "hoax", per se. If you have problems with information in the article, register an account then (after the account is no longer "new") edit as usual. -
talk) 17:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply
]
The Hoax template says "It is believed that some or all of its content might constitute a hoax." Anyone could see that most, rather than some, of the content of this article was more or less unverifiable nonsense. /Dewil (talk) 10:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That tag places the article in [[Category:Suspected hoax articles]], which explains: "The purpose of this category is to list articles that may be hoaxes (prank, fake or joke articles). ... Articles that are not hoaxes but have content or sections of disputed accuracy can have the {{Accuracy}} or {{Disputed}} tag added in appropriate places in the article, which will to draw attention to the disputed content without tagging the entire article as a hoax." -
talk) 14:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply
]

Manu Guiot is/was a real person

Somebody should fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.190.96 (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed! I've edited the reference to the use of that name as a pseudonym to read "Jean Guiot", as per the notes with his CD The Dave Stewart Songbook Volume One.
Gwladys24 (talk) 12:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Dave Stewards 'Backstage Pass'

Dunno if it's worth mentioning, but Dave Steward released his own sensual stimulator in conjuction with Jimmyjane. Some more background information, which can be used as a source, in the case a quote is recommended:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/30/eurythmics-dave-stewart-l_n_154334.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.65.176.233 (talk) 20:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Previously married...

Previously married from 1973 to 1977, Stewart married foyrmer Bananarama member ... "Previously married" to WHO? =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:03, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism story

Per the

verifiability policies, I've removed a brief reference to a plagiarism accusation as it was inadequately sourced and primary rather than secondary in nature. The sole sources were an anonymous post on a gossip website and a link to the alleged source that was plagiarised. The absence of anything directly linking the alleged plagiarism to the subject of this article was also troubling. --TS 14:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

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David Stewart or Dave Stewart

This article constantly refers to this person as "David Stewart", but I thought that when he was performing in the Eurhythmics, he was known as "Dave Stewart". Vorbee (talk) 18:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Autobiography

I am no expert on Dave Stewart, but I am sure that I once heard on a radio quiz programme that he had published an autobiography entitled "Sweet Dreams Are Made of This". If this is correct, it could be added to the article. Vorbee (talk) 09:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sunderland supporter

For some reason, someone keeps on adding a tag saying information is not reliable. Right, let's go over it.

[3] - It might not be the original source, but it's a copy, and you have a picture here of David Stewart in a Sunderland top. [4] - Discussing his childhood, he says how he went to watch Sunderland with his dad and still watches them.

Quotes: "He set up a sound system round the house so he could play soundtracks to musicals like South Pacific – he played the harmonica and was obsessed with Sunderland FC", "Dad took me to Roker Park to watch Sunderland when they were playing" and "My knee’s been fine since that accident, and I still always watch Sunderland FC on TV."

[5] - Again, him reminiscing memories of his Sunderland support.

Quote: "As a boy, I was obsessed with being a footballer and playing for Sunderland. So not unlike most kids at that period in the Sixties. From about six years old to 13 I dreamed about football. I remember being so infatuated I would polish my football boots at night and balance them on the end of my bed and look at them. My dad would take me to Roker Park, which was Sunderland’s ground."

It's pretty obvious he's a Sunderland fan and there are enough references for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxim.il89 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a
reliable source's unsupported claim as its article title is not enough for a BLP. The somewhat reliable source combined with an actual RS, stating various ways Stewart felt as a kid, do not add up to his being a fan (present tense). Either the claim needs to be reworded in line with the sources, or reliable sources need to be added that support the claim. And, BTW, the Daily Mail was removed as a source because it's widely regarded as being anything but reliable; see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 01:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Correct, and this information is accurate.
[6] - an interview where he states his support of Sunderland and how his dad was into them.
[7] - Again, him reminiscing memories of his Sunderland support.
Where exactly do you see "original research"?
I really don't see the issue here. I've read the guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxim.il89 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable sources

David A. Stewart
are as follows:

  • Added by 37.142.153.69 (a confirmed sock IP of Maxim.il89), August 27, 2019
    • RS
      , August 28, 2019
  • Added by 37.142.153.69, August 29, 2019
    • Removed by me, with concise ES removed unreliable sources (also removed another), August 29, 2019
  • Added by Maxim.il89, August 29, 2019
    • Removed by me, with ES Undid revision 913096264 by Maxim.il89 (talk); the Daily Mail is an unreliable source; you have been told multiple times, August 29, 2019
  • Added by Maxim.il89, with ES Undid revision 913103666 by Fred Gandt (talk)READ THE GUIDELINES. Yes, unreliable for news, but not for an exclusive interview., August 29, 2019

and to Sunderland A.F.C. (related subject matter; same source) are as follows:

  • Added by Maxim.il89, August 27, 2019
    • WP:QS
      )..., August 28, 2019
  • Added by Maxim.il89, August 29, 2019

There were other edits, but these are the most relevant. I have read many guidelines and policies, and don't remember reading anywhere that unreliable sources were considered reliable when reporting an interview, so I did some more digging. I found

primary source at best, but when delivered via an unreliable source like the Daily Mail, is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. So I wondered if "interviews" were mentioned on WP:reliable sources and found they're not, but did find some notes on WP:no original research
about interviews, basically just discussing their primaryness.

I am still at a loss regarding what guidelines I should read that state the complete contrary to everything I've come to learn over the course of my time editing Wikipedia. Please let me know Maxim.il89. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 00:36, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The use of the
reliable sources and the addition of the Daily Mail citation would not improve the sourcing for these claims. The Daily Mail should be excluded in these cases. — Newslinger talk 04:21, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
Thing is, it's not original research. It's an interview, and he goes into more details than in other interviews about how he and his father watched Sunderland together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxim.il89 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Stewart talks about that in his autobiography;[1] primary source, but at least it's not tabloid drivel. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 20:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ISBN 9780698411043
    .

Page move reverted

I've reverted the unilateral decision by

David A. Stewart to Dave Stewart (guitarist)
.

Regardless of whether he's often known as "Dave Stewart", using the term "guitarist" to distinguish him from Dave Stewart (keyboardist) is questionable. The former isn't known *mainly* as a guitarist by most people, even if that's a significant part of what he does, and choosing to focus on different but arbitrary aspects of each artist's repetoire to differentiate them is a poor choice.

The following recent and/or significant contributors to the page (and anyone else!) are invited to give their opinion if they want to; Sun Creator, Monkbot, JohnZofSydney, Nikkimaria, Maxim.il89, Fred Gandt, Moochooroo, Derek R Bullamore, Santanaeco. Thank you!

Ubcule (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Stewart (English musician)

See

naming criteria
. I get why it is titled as David A. Stewart, but based on WP guidelines, the appropriate name for the article is Dave Stewart.

  • Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
  • Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English.
  • Precision – The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. (See § Precision and disambiguation, below.)
  • Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects. (See § Conciseness, below)
  • Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Many of these patterns are listed (and linked) as topic-specific naming conventions on article titles, in the box above.

Also: almost every reference used in the article -- and almost everything that turns up in Google search -- refers to him as Dave Stewart. Ubcule, Does Dave Stewart (English musician) make sense to you?

JSFarman (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@JSFarman:; Unfortunately not, for the simple reason that Dave Stewart (English musician) doesn't distinguish him from Dave Stewart (keyboardist), who is also an English musician.
It's maybe the case that this Dave Stewart *should* be the primary topic for "Dave Stewart" (with appropriate use of hatnotes and links to the dab page), but it'd have to be quite clear that far more people were looking for him than any of the others.
And bear in mind that I wasn't the person who named it as "David A. Stewart" originally, nor was I arguing in favour of that name per se. Rather, my objection was to the unilateral (and now reverted) decision to move it to Dave Stewart (guitarist), which was a bad choice for the reasons I gave above.
(It could be argued that Dave Stewart (keyboardist) is a bad choice of qualifier as well, since David A. Stewart is also a keyboardist).
23:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
That makes sense. (I didn't go through the dabs for all of the Dave Stewarts - didn't realize that the keyboardist was also English.) Thanks for the idea re: on-Wikipedia search. I just did a pageview analysis and Dave Stewart is by far the most searched of the many Dave Stewarts. (Dave Stewart, the baseball player, had a two day jump when he retired earlier this month.)


David A. Stewart
 19,531 930
0
 0 49,223 71 All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (baseball) 8,749 417 0 0 51,906 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (keyboardist) 2,915 139 0 0 13,644 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (artist) 289 14 0 0 3,498 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (trombonist) 93 4 0 0 2,607 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) 50 2 0 0 66 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (footballer, born 1958) 49 2 0 0 3,565 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (soccer)
 24 1
0
 0 1,892 Unknown All languages • Redirects
Dave Stewart (EastEnders)
 9 0
0
 0 137 Unknown All languages • Redirects
9 pages 31,709 1,510 0 0 126,538 Unknown
I'm going to rename the page Dave Stewart (with the proper hatnotes, etc). Thanks for the input! (This has been bugging me for a while.) JSFarman (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I attempted to get the existing Dave Stewart (disambiguation) redirect deleted but the speedy was declined because the move was potentially controversial. Which I (potentially) understand. So I'm going to be bold and retitle this article Dave Stewart (musician and producer) because a)it's an available title b) it's accurate and c) it will make sense to readers than David A. Stewart. JSFarman (talk) 00:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@JSFarman: - I don't agree with that decision.
The whole point of the discussion was whether "Dave Stewart" should have been the article title- i.e. whether this article should have been the primary topic- not anything else. You even presented the research to justify this choice (and I might have agreed with that).
It would have been preferable to seek administrator help in overcoming the technical issues in replacing the existing page, explaining clearly what you were trying to do. This is technically possible; I've had it done before.
The current page name is pointless- it wasn't chosen because it was the best choice, it was chosen to serve as a quick-fix to get round a technical issue. Since the only point in moving the article was to get (what you argued was) the best title, why bother moving it at all if that's not possible?
If "Dave Stewart" is the most appropriate title it should be moved again. I will seek admin help so that you are able to do this and get things organised as was originally intended.
Ubcule (talk) 23:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Request for help made at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Help_with_reorganising_pages. Ubcule (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I responded there. Thank you for helping! JSFarman (talk) 00:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I did some research that I thought would support a primary topic argument, but instead it did the opposite. The Dave Stewart that plays baseball is quite prominent. (I knew nothing about him until now, which is not surprising b/c I know nothing about sports.) I don't agree that "Musician and producer" is pointless, though - Dave Stewart is a musician and producer. What would you suggest? Other than David A. Stewart? (Smiley face.) JSFarman (talk) 03:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@JSFarman:; If you didn't already think that the current name was the best choice in the absence of Dave Stewart, why did you move it there in the first place?
My suggestion would have been to leave things as they were until the name choice had been investigated more thoroughly and a better name had been decided upon. And if that wasn't possible, then to have left them as they were.
I'm not the one who was strongly opposed to the then-current title and I didn't support rushing into moving it for the sake of moving it in the first place. So why would (or should) I have any better ideas?
The other Dave Stewart is a musician and producer as well, so the current title doesn't even describe this one uniquely (whereas
David A. Stewart
- for all its drawbacks- did).
My suggestion would be that- in the absence of anything better- you move it back to
David A. Stewart and verify thoroughly that nothing was broken in the move there and back (i.e. redirects, links to page). I already did this after reverting the ill-thought-out Dave Stewart (guitarist) move, and I don't fancy having to do it again. Ubcule (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
I am very strongly opposed to David A. Stewart and I do think the current name is the best available choice. The Dave Stewart you refer to is not known as a producer, whereas this Dave Stewart is. (The article on the keyboardist doesn't mention that he's a producer; his own website includes only that he produces his records with Barb Gaskin; his AllMusic credits list him as a producer for the records with Barb Gaskin and one Bill Bruford record: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/dave-stewart-mn0001737671/credits.)
The issue with the page name has been discussed here previously. So let's agree to disagree and get consensus. I'll start an RFC here for additional input and comment. JSFarman (talk) 20:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: article name

There are eight Dave Stewarts on Wikipedia. Three of them are musicians. This article was previously titled David A. Stewart, which was the name used when it was created in 2004 . It stated then that he [8]"normally credits himself as David A. Stewart, partly to avoid confusion with another musician known as Dave Stewart" but no reference is given, [9] and the most prominent of other musicians with the same name is Dave Stewart, a keyboardist. (AllMusic states that this Dave Stewart was "sometimes" credited as David A. Stewart.)[1]

Dave Stewart, once of the Eurythmics, is popularly known as Dave Stewart, and virtually all of the references used in the existing article use Dave Stewart. Billboard calls him Dave Stewart,[2] as do other music trades. He won Grammys [3] and Brits as Dave Stewart.[4] He's Dave Stewart on the Eurythmics site. [5]Rolling Stone: Dave Stewart. [6] Spotify, iTunes, etc: Dave Stewart.[7] He was honored by the Music Producers Guild [8]and nominated for the Songwriters Hall of Fame as Dave Stewart.[9] Among his side projects: Dave Stewart and the Spiritual Cowboys, and Dave Stewart and his Rock Fabulous Orchestra (who recorded the Dave Stewart Songbook.) [10] According to the official site, the current executive producer of Songland is Dave Stewart. [11] I'll stop, but I could easily come up with dozens of examples that are not US-centric. The only place that he is consistently referred to as David A. Stewart is on Wikipedia, and that is probably a reflection of the 2004 version of the article. We are focused on readers, and it is very likely that when a reader searches the name Dave Stewart, this Dave Stewart is who they are searching for. (See the chart of pageviews in the previous section.)

Based on

naming criteria
, Dave Stewart (musician and producer) works - it is recognizable, natural, precise, concise, and consistent. My original thought was Dave Stewart (English musician), but, as it was pointed out, the other Dave Stewarts are also English. Dave Stewart (no dab) was also suggested, but the admin who would have needed to delete the current disambiguation page declined my speedy as potentially controversial. Thus, Dave Stewart (musician and producer). The keyboardist Dave Stewart has production credits, but they are for his own records and a Dave Brubeck album -- I don't think using producer as a disambiguation for this Dave Stewart will cause confusion.

Can we get a consensus on a name? Or appropriate disambiguation? If the consensus is that this Dave Stewart should be the primary topic, I will post via

WP:RM#CM. If the consensus is David A. Stewart, so be it. JSFarman (talk) 23:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

References

  1. ^ "Dave Stewart | Biography & History". AllMusic. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  2. ^ "Dave Stewart on What Sets 'Songland' Apart From the Reality TV Music Pack". Billboard. 2019-05-29. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  3. ^ "In The Ring With Dave Stewart". GRAMMY.com. 2014-12-02. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  4. ^ "History". BRIT Awards. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  5. ^ "Home". Eurythmics | Official Site. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  6. ^ Stone, Rolling; Stone, Rolling (2016-11-23). "Eurythmics' Dave Stewart: 5 Songs That Influenced Me". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  7. ^ "Dave Stewart". Spotify. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  8. ^ "The Music Producers Guild Honours Dave Stewart". The Music Producers Guild. 2014-12-02. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  9. ^ "Songwriters Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony: New York: June 10, 2021 | Calendar". BMI.com. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
  10. ^ The Dave Stewart Songbook, Vol. 1 - Dave Stewart, Dave Stewart & His Rock Fabulous Orchestra | Songs, Reviews, Credits | AllMusic, retrieved 2020-05-07
  11. ^ "Songland - NBC.com". NBC. Retrieved 2020-05-07.
 Comment: - This discussion should be regarded as a continuation of "Page move reverted" and "Dave Stewart (English musician)" sections above; I've already said much of what I have to say there.
I'd have assumed a Dave Brubeck album was a notable production, personally.
I don't think
David A. Stewart is necessarily an ideal choice of title, I just think "musician and producer" is a weak differentiator. Ubcule (talk) 18:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

Requested move 30 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Dave Stewart (Eurythmics). (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 18:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCPDAB? ... failing a practical single qualifier, the disambiguator can be expanded with a second qualifier: e.g. Roger Taylor (Queen drummer) and Roger Taylor (Duran Duran drummer). The dual-profession qualifier is quite unusual and (as mentioned above) not even unambiguous: one of the other Dave Stewart musicians has a section called Dave Stewart (keyboardist) § Producer (!). "Eurythmics" is certainly not undue in the proposed title—this is basically a rephrasing of his Instagram username. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 06:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Point taken, but the Eurythmics broke up in 1990. Dave Stewart has produced, played, on or composed music for literally hundreds of albums hundreds of albums since then. (That's according to
Allmusic, so take it with the mandatory grain of salt.) Roger Taylor of Queen appears to have no non-Queen credits; Roger Taylor of Duran Duran has only a few. It is reductive to use the dab "Eurythmics musician", particularly since he wrote or co-wrote, produced and performed on most Eurythmics songs as recently as 33 years ago. However, as noted, this has been discussed to death. I oppose the name change but not enough to argue it again. JSFarman (talk) 22:02, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Completely understandable, and I don't want you to get sucked into unfun discussion. I considered that Eurythmics is one of multiple aspects of his career, but it also remains his primary identification on first reference (sources found deliberately not using "eurythmics" as a keyword): One half of the 80's British pop duo, Eurythmics (Songwriters Hall of Fame), Eurythmics musician Dave Stewart (LAT), The former Eurythmics musician (Guardian), Songwriter, musician, producer, and Eurythmics co-founder Dave A. Stewart (American Songwriter, talking about his other work), Ex-Eurythmic Dave Stewart (NYT). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thoughtful and considered response, Hameltion. You have made this discussion way less unfun for me. JSFarman (talk) 22:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dave A. Stewart. Please no. See above. JSFarman (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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