Talk:Dominican Day Parade

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• Photographs of criminal activity pain a negative portrait not only for the Dominican American community but also falls out of place with the article's main objective, which is to illustrate the purpose of the parade. Furthermore, the photograph can lead to legal trouble for the site's administrators as it can be seen as slander and thus a libel case can be taken against the owners. You have to remember that everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. The photo raises libelous red flags. --XLR8TION (talk) 02:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• go to dispute resolution for this. It is neither slander nor was it libel. There was an arrest at the parade. Furthermore, neither the faces of the officers nor of the suspect can be seen so the persons identity cannot be determined. By the way an arrest does not mean guilt nor conviction. UnclePaco (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will go to dispute resolution if required, however this parade is about the Dominican-American parade, not the 2007 parade only! All parades in NYC whether it's St. Patrick's Day or Gay Pride has arrest every year. The photo does not contribute to the article in anyway, therefore it will be removed each and everytime. Furthermore, it's slanderous to the person be arrested and denigrating to the ideal the parade is trying to give to the entire community. Are you trying to paint Dominicans as criminals and riff-raffs? Apparently that picture and the lack of importance to the article clearly illustrate this intent.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • it tells the entire story not just the small portion you want to highlight. feel free to open up dispute resolution. i'll reply. UnclePaco (talk) 18:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have opened a dispute and will follow through with it. For the meantime, please do not add photograph until a resolution has been reached.--XLR8TION (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

what is the link? i'll simply add a controversy section. UnclePaco (talk) 00:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • The parade article simply discusses the parade in general. You can incorporate the blurb into the article as long as you have an article to source it (that picture could have been taken at any parade, therefore that is not a valid reference. Please cite an article). There is no need to create a new subsection unless it was something of great importance, like what happened at the Puerto Rican Day Parade back in 2001 when women were fondled by attendees and cops stood by watching and doing nothing. That was a significant controvery, but the arrest of a drunk or a riff-raff is not a controversy nor made headlines. The focus of the article is to concentrate on what makes the parade important, notable or noteworthy. --XLR8TION (talk) 01:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So the way in which you enlarged the puerto rican day's controversy section [1] but deleted the one in the dominican day parade [2] is a bit, umm... unusual. I have found another source that speaks about the violence that has occurred at the parade http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DD163AF937A2575BC0A963958260 What do you mean the photograph could have been taken at any parade? Are you stating that it wasn't at the Domincan Day parade? UnclePaco (talk) 10:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Dominican Day Parade is NOT primarily a criminal activity, UnclePaco. Characterizing it as such, whether through leading sections about "violence" or inappropriate photos constitutes vandalism. Zenwhat (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is not vandalism. That is a violation of

WP:NPOV. Nishkid64 (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Unless a photograph serves a clear illustrative purpose, it should probably not be used in an article. Unless the parade problems were notable enough to be covered by multiple reliable sources (hopefully more reliable than the NY Post), it's unlikely they deserve a mention in the article. Large events of this size in NYC usually involve a few arrests and limited occurances of violence, so unless there is something particular noteworthy about this particular event's occurances, there's no reason or need to mention it in the article. Vassyana (talk) 04:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have the new york times here http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DD163AF937A2575BC0A963958260 UnclePaco (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • That is a normal article about normal arrests. The parade is not even 20 years old and any reader will find the same information when it comes to unruly arrests if they read an article on the St. Patrick's Parade. The addition of any information relating to criminal activity should be added only as Vassyana mentioned above. If it's noteworthy they would be a whole article solely on the crime(s)/criminal(s) than just a bunch of arrests. You have to take into account that the article also covers parades in other cities.--XLR8TION (talk) 11:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was an article about police officers being assaulted and a large number of arrests. It was not in another city as you stated it was in new york. I have found multiple sources. The New York times counts as being a reliable source. If you look here which is in new york http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day_Carnival#Violence and the puerto rican day parade you'll find similiar events. Why are you so protective of this article? You also didn't reply to the above statement. Since I found a reliable source (new york times) unless you can provide reasonable rationale concerning why it shouldn't be included i will place a Violence section or Controversy section in. (like the labor day carnival has as well as the puerto rican day parade has) UnclePaco (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• First, the words New York Times, New York and Puerto Rican are capitalized always. Second, I am not being protective of no article, however, I won't let any article that I have worked on or cleaned-up fall to a standard that is low and unreliable. It is apparent that English is not your first language, therefore, as someone who has spoken the language since Day 1, I feel it's my duty to maintain proper grammar and structure in articles. As I and Vassyana have informed you the photograph does not belong in this article as it does not illustrate the purpose of the parade. Furthermore, your article on arrests clearly show this as an annual occurence that wouldn't make a blip on media screens. Crime is present at all events in New York City. Unless it clearly is a noteworthy event, than it doesn't belong in this article.--XLR8TION (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So again, why is it ok for the Labor Day Carnival to have a violence section, the Puerto Rican Day Parade to have a controversy section. But the Dominican Day parade not to have a controversy section? Even if the photograph wasn't included the article does have a need for one. UnclePaco (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://gothamist.com/2007/08/13/dominican_day_p.php another article UnclePaco (talk) 19:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

another 2 articles

http://www.nydailynews.com/latino/2007/08/13/2007-08-13_wave_of_pride_on_6th.html http://www.nysun.com/article/60372 UnclePaco (talk) 19:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • Once again, the controversy should be notable and noteworthy that it would make headlines. There are arrests at all parades in NYC due to a myriad of crimes. A arrest of a handful of rowdy spectators does not equal controversy. --XLR8TION (talk) 19:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess the 2 stabbings and a mob throwing bottles at police officers aren't noteworthy to you. If you look at the New York Times link there was in fact a headline article. Also it may not be controversy, but it definately was violent. Maybe a compromise on a violence section would do. UnclePaco (talk) 20:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • As you can see from my opinion and that of Vassnaya, the photograph doesn't belong in this article. I have gotten another administrator who agrees with me. That photograph could have been taken at a block party in Boston for all that I know. It doesn't belong or fit in the article. Furthermore, the article is about all years the parade has taken place. Crime is present at all NYC events. Unless the incident recieved major news coverage than it is not notable and doesn't belong in this article. Please let me know if you don't understand what I am saying. --XLR8TION (talk) 01:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From

• The image is a generic image and provides little to no context to the article. It's not related to the topic of the main article, which is the parade itself, and really doesn't serve a clear, illustrative purpose, per
  WP:IMAGE#Pertinence and encyclopedicity
  .
• The text is pushing a slanted point-of-view in an article that has very little text otherwise. While it did have a
  reliable source
  , it included nothing of a secondary/opposing viewpoint and very little context outside of some arrests.

Hope this helps, Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at both the photos on the page you'll see that I am the author of both of them. The image I don't think was generic it was actually one of the individuals who had committed a crime mentioned in the links.

I have actually elaborated on the article and inserted it. If you look at these two articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day_Carnival#Violence and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade#Controversy they have controversy and violence sections that were less developed. Anyway thanks for the help UnclePaco (talk) 05:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • The section on "violence" has been removed. The brief news reference does not merit an entry in the article. Any mass incidents involving violence should be included, however petty crimes do not merit inclusion into this article.--XLR8TION (talk) 20:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Felonies aren't petty crimes. Shoplifting is a

petty crime. Attacking officers with bottles and a stabbing aren't considered to be a petty crime. I thinke we should all work on expanding the article to have at least a comparable amount of information to the Puerto Rican Day parade. UnclePaco (talk) 22:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply

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• • • Once again, if the incident did not register on news channels, it is not notable/noteworthy. Second, the parade is NOT televised nationally. Only the local Univision channels shows an hour of highlights on Sunday night. Third, please do not revert grammar mistakes. This can be labled as vandalism. Fourth, keep your snide remarks off this site. Your remark is consider an attack. I have already ask for intervention. --XLR8TION (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

just because something isn't on the news channel doesnt make it non newsworthy. The NY times, Daily News and the Post are are all newsworthy papers. UnclePaco (talk) 03:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • The NEw York Post and Daily News are Newsworthy papers! LOL, you're funny! Both of these trash tabloids are not even reputable resources for news information such as the Times or The Washington Post. I have already ask for intervention. Your edits are simply vandalism.--XLR8TION (talk) 03:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess the new york times isn't newsworthy right? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DD163AF937A2575BC0A963958260 UnclePaco (talk) 03:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • • I am not sure if you understand me??? Any information that is relevant to the article and that caused great controversy should be included into the article. Crime such as a stabbing happens even at the St. Patricks Parade in March, the West Indian Parade in Brooklyn every year. Crime is everywhere and it doesn't exempt New York. If the criminal activity caused great controversy, so much that the incident was recreated in popular culture or even massive lawsuits took place such as what happened at the PR Day Parade in 2000, than that is newsworthy. Your inclusion of such material does NOT help the article and only paints a denigrating portrait of this community. Anti-Dominican behavior or hatred of any group is strictly prohibited on this site. Please listen to reason here and refrain from adding this useless information. Wikipedia is supposed to educate people about facts and important events that made a difference in the world. The events at the Puerto Rican Day Parade brought a series of lawsuits against the NYC Police Department and many department changes. That is newsworthy! A stabbing, a pickpocketing incident, or a fight is NOT newsworthy! Kindly refrain from adding this information. I have already asked three admins for intervention.--XLR8TION (talk) 03:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i'll agree to disagree and wait for more opinions to come UnclePaco (talk) 03:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Until further opinions are posted, please kindly refrain from posting the disputed material in main article.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and why is it ok for you to remove it but i have to refrain from placing it in? i've already refrained from the photograph and it seems i have to bend over backwards to make you happy. UnclePaco (talk) 04:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, I don't know what to do with this one. For one thing, please see

• • • B, you have a valid point there. The Macy's parade has been going on for many decades. There have been many incidents relating to accidents caused by balloons, etc. These have been properly included in the article because they all have taken place during different years. The information the user keeps adding to this article only took place during ONE year. Therefore, unless he can find a slew of incidents that merit an incidents subchapter, than this information is not significant to the article. As I have discussed, the events/incidents should have a lasting memory or effect on the parade.--XLR8TION (talk) 04:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • UnclePaco, per
        WP:UNDUE, one incident at the Dominican Day Parade in 2007 does not warrant an entire section for the article (especially, since the section would occupy half the article's total size). If there are future incidents of crime, then it might be worth mentioning. Both you and XLR8TION have an interest in the parade, so why don't you work together to expand the article? Considering how important the parade is in the Dominican-American community, the article could definitely use a hefty expansion. What do you think? Nishkid64 (talk) 05:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
        ]

I am not here to tell you what to do, and I am not here to preach. I am merely extending some advice. My feeling is that the two of you are going to end up getting repeatedly blocked for longer and longer times. No one wants this. I'm sure you both have great skills which could be helpful to many articles here. Good editing, and Peace to you both. LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

XLR8TION has been blocked for 2 weeks for violating

WP:3RR. UnclePaco, please read what others users have to say. If the edit warring continues after the unblock, then I will impose a revert parole and try to mediate this dispute. Nishkid64 (talk) 06:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply

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http://video.aol.com/video-detail/dominican-day-parade-fun/4260368271

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=15680240

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=15714615 UnclePaco (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I protected the article for 72 hours to end the edit war. Please use discussion and consensus to resolve this dispute.

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Hopefully we can resolve this dispute and integrate this into the article. If and when we do I'll request for unprotection and I'll put it in. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 16:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some work. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 17:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, almost done :) Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 02:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is what the merge will look like: User:Compwhizii/PageSandbox. I'll let this sit for a bit before I request unprotection. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 02:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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editprotected}} Please replace the content page with this. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 19:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply

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I don't see anyone else participating in this, please demonstrate consensus for this change. —Random832 19:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 01:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with it. 64.131.204.90 (talk) 03:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Compwhiz II^(Talk)_(Contribs) 02:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is no consensus to not have it put in, and it is well sourced, it should stay. CWii_{(Talk|Contribs)} 22:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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