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Both revival series should be split out

Result was not to
WP:SPLIT. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Both of the revivals should be split as they should be considered separate series. The Suite Life of Zack & Cody and The Suite Life on Deck aren't one article; these shouldn't be all part of the same article, either. I'm not sure about the first revival, but with the second revival, the production codes even indicate a first season and the press releases refer to it as a brand new series. I've already got a sandbox for the 2018 series and could easily make one for the first revival series. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as proposer. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:33, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean oppose. Suite Life is a situation where it was spun off into a whole new show. This new revival is still Double Dare. We don't have separate articles for the Art Fleming and Alex Trebek versions of Jeopardy! nor do we have several different articles for the many incarnations of Pyramid. Heck, there's even an article called Password Plus and Super Password given how the shows are virtually identical. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 06:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose: While on the other hand,

My Family's Got GUTS is its own article, Match Game has half a dozen revivals and only one has its own article, and the Baldwin-hosted current revival is among those that don't--Harmony944 (talk, Twitter) 15:05, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply
]

Liza Koshy hosts the current Double Dare, not Marc Summers. Marc Summers is the announcer this go-around. And if Nickelodeon is considering this revival "season one," that's even more reason to at least split out the 2018 version, given that and the fact that it's been about 18 years since Double Dare 2000. Virtually almost everyone born in 2000 and later will have no idea of the original version and first revival. Also, the promos themselves didn't even promote it as a revival. Promos: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] Except for, like, two, all of the promos treated this as a new series, and even those two didn't specifically mention revival, just coming back. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most, if not all of the promos you posted either a) refer to this as the "all new!" Double Dare to indicate that these are new episodes, and not repeats or b) actively refer to elements of the past. Promo 2 is literally all about how this old show people loved has returned. Nickelodeon's classifications for this series follow other game shows, as well. ABC isn't treating their current version of The $100,000 Pyramid as a continuation, even though the show aired on their network before. It's in its third season to them. How a program is promoted and listed internally, to me, is inconsequential to how it is classified in a scholastic manner when it follows a distinct, linear path parallel to many examples of how game shows are organized at Wikipedia. — Chad1m Email Talk Cont. 18:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I do see what you mean about people born in 2000, but that would mainly apply to those who aren't hardcore fans of Nickelodeon. I don't know if Double Dare was ever shown on TV in the early 2000's, but I was born in 2000, and remember watching Legends of the Hidden Temple every morning before going to elementary school. I know Double Dare is older (30th anniversary last year), but LotHT was originally aired 93-95, and I remember watching it. I never really watched the original Double Dare or the Double Dare 2000 revival, but fans of Nickelodeon probably know their stuff, especially if they watch the other Nickelodeon channels like The Splat or even look at their Facebook page, where they post stuff like, "On this day 28 years ago, Nickelodeon Studios opened." (https://www.facebook.com/NickSplat/videos/221821135215027/) I may not be a 90's kid, but I definitely know a lot of the shows from the 90's, especially after watching episodes of the shows on YouTube or some other site. Also, the original Figure It Out aired 97-99, the revival aired 12-13. Between the end of the OG and start of the revival, that is 13 years between them. While that may be insignificant since it's been longer between Double Dare 2000 and this current revival (18 years), but there are a few things to keep in mind too. (Also typing this out after finishing typing all of this- Completely forgot about Super Sloppy Double Dare and Family Double Dare. Those happened too.) Not every show has disappeared into existence. Episodes of older shows air (or for some, have aired) on The Splat, Nick GAS, TeenNick, etc. Figure It Out (according to the Wikipedia page) had repeats airing on Nick GAS until 2007, while Double Dare has had live shows at the Nickelodeon Suites Resort. Not 100% if reruns ever aired on it, but can't find anything on it atm. Whether Nickelodeon considers it a revival or not, it basically is a revival since the definition is, "an instance of something becoming popular, active, or important again.", or, "a new production of an old play or similar work." The show did end in the past, no matter if there were 1, 2, 3, or even 0 revivals of it in the past, this is still considered a revival.

And finally, to end off my long response (Sorry for so much to read through, lol), take a look at Nick's two press releases about the show: 1. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180425006283/en/It%E2%80%99s-Time-%E2%80%9CAnswer-Question-Physical-Challenge%E2%80%9D-Nickelodeon - April 25, 2018, revival announced

2. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180522005805/en/Double-Returns-Nickelodeon-Beginning-Monday-June-25 - May 22, 2018, host + new details announced, premiere date announced

Both of these PRs call it things referring to it as a revival. "Nickelodeon is bringing back the original kids’ game show", "40 brand-new episodes, giving a new generation of fans", "iconic game show’s return", "the brand-new version of Double Dare" Magitroopa (talk) 21:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I applaud Chad and Magitroopa's thorough breakdowns why a split would not work, and agree with all of it. Some of what Amaury said was condescending to Magitroopa and the broader audience at hand. Double Dare has aired on The '90s Are All That, The Splat, and NickSplat, sparse as it may be over the nearly seven years, has happened. I would also like to point out that the UK version I hadn't known about before checking out the disambiguation page is not only very sparse, but goes completely unmentioned on the inspiration's page. And yet you want to make more splits for two other versions? Really, Amaury?--Harmony944 (talk, Twitter) 15:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC) (striking comment from confirmed sockpuppeter --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC) )[reply]
    • So since it seems like this whole 'split thing' isn't happening, can we take the notice off the top of the main page or no? Magitroopa (talk) 18:52, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Tiebreaker rules

If there is a tie at the end of round two there are four possible solutions:

  • (a) the team who completed the physical challenge in the fastest time at the beginning of round two advances to the bonus round,
  • (b) a tiebreaker physical challenge is played between both teams, with the winner advancing to the bonus round,
  • (c) a sudden death question is asked to both teams, with the first team to buzz-in with the correct answer advancing to the bonus round, or
  • (d) both teams play in the bonus round, with the team going through the most obstacles being declared the winner.

Which of these is the correct tiebreaker? J4lambert (talk) 00:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

None of them. Modern technology allows the show to be edited to fit in a whole game with a winner. — Chad1m Email Talk Cont. 03:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a reliable source that clarifies the tiebreaker rule... J4lambert (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Propose separate list of episodes page or season pages

If we're going to keep the main page dedicated to all of the different series instead of splitting it out per the discussion above, then we at least need to have better organization and either have a "List of Double Dare episodes" page or "Double Dare (season 1)" and so on pages.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for someone to create a season page and link to the mainpage. As long as there's enough content to justify the article existing on the mainspace I don't think it really matters if it airs weekly, daily, or even hourly.
talk) 14:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I don't consider that a valid rationale for an "oppose", because it's effectively a
WP:OSE argument – IOW, just because some "game shows" don't merit separate LoE articles does not mean that all game show articles shouldn't have one. This particular game show includes unique episode titles. In addition, I'm pretty sure based on Amaury's draft that there will be sufficient sourcing to demonstrate notability for the 2018 version. The use of "celebrity" contestants also makes this one different than something like Wheel of Fortune, and enhances its notability. Therefore, something like a separate "season" or LoE article looks to be justified in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
How does the GSWP handle
panel game shows? This particular show format seems similar to those in that one of the features of panel game shows seems to be the incidence of "celebrity guest stars". The new Double Dare appears to follow in that vein, and I think the "celebrity contestant" angle pushes this one over the line into justifying some kind of LoE or "season" type article... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply
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@IJBall: I confess, I'm not too familiar with panel game shows. Perhaps this AFD could provide some insight; of course, it was over four years ago, but still. List of Hollywood Game Night episodes was deleted; List of QI episodes is a featured list. Admittedly, it does seem there is a lack of consistency there. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that
WP:TV. So I think some of us are going to work on Amaury's userspace draft with that approach. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply
]
Apologizing in advance, but confused a bit with all that was just said. I have actually already been helping on Amaury's draft for Double Dare 2018 whenever new episode names are found or when episodes have name changes, but are we just having a list of 2018 episodes or will we get around (eventually) to listing all the Double Dare episodes from all the different years/series? Magitroopa (talk) 03:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If we can find episode guides for 2000 and the original and its expansions (eg, Super Sloppy). Problem is finding such guides. Zap2it has some info on Super Sloppy Double Dare, but not a lot. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I did say earlier on in this that I run Double Dare Wikia (again, not advertising) and someone (not me) put on an episode guideof all the different episodes. Not entirely sure how accurate it is, but I'm sure if we do find another source and compare them, if they are similar, then I am sure it is accurate. Most of the episodes are also able to be found online when you look it up, but not sure what information you'll get on it. From comparing the Wikia episode guide to other sites like IMDb, it seems like the order of the episodes are correct, but cannot find any sources on the airdates on any site other than the Wikia. Magitroopa (talk) 06:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since not all episode titles, air dates, and information are available for the show between 1986 and 1989, and especially not with trustworthy sources, there would be no way to construct a full series episode guide that would be veriable by encyclopedic standards. I have done plenty of research in databases and archives for this article, and without accessing Nickelodeon's library, there is no concrete, complete way to achieve this. I do not see the point in having a list of one or two seasons when the rest of the series cannot be represented. — Chad1m Email Talk Cont. 18:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't mean a separate LOE for the revival is unnecessary, and honestly, it's all the more reason why the revival should have been split out. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move

Double Dare (CBS game show) → Double Dare (1976 game show), no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination for the remaining three. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 18:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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I'm not sure if my destinations are correct, but per

WP:NCTV, the current locations are definitely wrong. We don't disambiguate by network. For example, on the first one, if we're going to say that this show is all the same per the closed discussion three sections above, then year disambiguation should be correct since that's when it started, which means the reason given in the move log here is incorrect. I'll hold off on an actual vote from myself until I'm sure I'm doing this right. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:39, 6 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • The problem with
    Double Dare (Nickelodeon game show) is that the editors on that page don't want to create different articles for the different versions of the show, so instead we get this one, which hosts all 5 versions and other relevant topics. This in turn changes it from a "TV series" page, to a franchise page, which would mean that the correct name of the article would be "Double Dare (franchise)". However, because that is still somewhat insufficient, the best option would be Double Dare (Nickelodeon franchise). Support the 1976 version. Regarding the play, the members of at NCTV cannot come to an agreement on how to disambiguate TV plays in general but also more specifically, how to disambiguate TV plays that are episodes of a TV series. This play was an episode of Play for Today. I think for now, the better option would be (TV play) until such a time as a consensus can be obtained regarding the disambiguation of these. To sum it up: Support Double Dare (Nickelodeon franchise), Double Dare (1976 game show) and Double Dare (TV play). --Gonnym (talk) 16:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • For now, I'm going to support all of these as proposed. I can maybe be talked into supporting
    WP:INCDAB). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:16, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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(edit conflict) @Gonnym: In regard to your opening paragraph, that's one of the reasons why the 2018 version, at the very least, per Geraldo Perez's comment in the Both revival series should be split out section I started three sections above, should be a separate article, under the title of "Double Dare (2018 game show)," but more people disagreed than agreed in that discussion. That would at least make this easier. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:18, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that's a separate issue from this RM discussion... IIRC, a
WP:SPLIT proposal was already discussed at the 1986 article, with a "no consensus to split" result. Another Split discussion can be initiated, now that the 2018 edition has run longer, but it is a separate issue from what to title these articles... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:22, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support only
    WP:NCTV hasn't settled on how to handle their naming. The 1987 UK game show is a spin-off of the 1986 Nickelodeon show, and using years alone doesn't make them distinct enough as most people could not at-a-glance tell the two apart and because they were running concurrently for several years. Moving the page to (franchise) I think will start the process of encouraging a proper SPLIT, and when that happens we can look at the naming of the UK series against the rest. -- Netoholic @ 23:42, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
The UK one is there for consistency. If it weren't for CBS' game show, we could keep that one there and then have
Double Dare (Nickelodeon game show) → Double Dare (U.S. game show). In any case, years alone is sufficient and distinguishable. It's no different than the year disambiguation being used at For the People for the first three listings. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:49, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Years are very good for films or books, where its a single work being released at one time. Years are less good for TV series which run for many years and can have runs which overlap with other series. When this is true AND the shows starts are just one year apart, its even more difficult to justify. I'm not even sure if the UK topic is even its own series. A lot of sources describe it as a "segment" or "slot" on Going Live! - so it might not even be appropriate as a standalone article. -- Netoholic @ 01:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but no matter what, "(play)" is wrong disambiguation, as that implies a "theatrical" play, not a "play for television". So that last one is wrong right now and needs to be changes to something else... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:30, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just thinking the conversation on that is more complex than we would want to be part of the game show move discussion which is also complex. I'd rather handle the broad span of television plays together. Indeed (play) may not be inaccurate, as there is certainly a written work at the heart of the broadcasted program, and (play) is perfectly fine when discussing that written work. It all depends on the specifics of the topic and how to scope the article. -- Netoholic @ 01:20, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Double Dare (play) is British, and in British English, "program" means a computer program; the spelling in this context would be "programme" but that means the same as "show" so wouldn't disambiguate it. Peter James (talk) 19:25, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Then move the third to
WP:NCTV. But it should not be at "(play)" and I oppose using "(TV play)" for disambiguation as it is non-standard and isn't covered under NCTV, and is an anachronistic term. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:32, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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It isn't an
systemic bias to allow exceptions for game shows and talk shows and not for anything else. Peter James (talk) 09:59, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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"Double disambiguation" is absolutely not needed in this case. Even "by year" disambig. is probably unnecessary, but Double Dare (1976 TV programme) is all that would be necessary for this one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:50, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Double Dare (CBS game show) is also a 1976 TV programme. Peter James (talk) 15:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Ah, missed that. In that case, I would go with my other suggestion:
WP:NCTV, as the best available option. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Oppose film disambiguation as that deviates too much from the current title and just bypasses the need for a consensus on plays which are episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 15:45, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is no current consensus for "TV plays (or movies) which are episodes", so it defaults back to the current NCTV which says to use "film" in cases like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:22, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 24 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Double Dare (franchise)  — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


WP:NCTV. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Tournament of Champions was actually on February 7, 1993

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This schedule appeared in the San Francisco Examiner on February 6, but it is for tomorrow night. If you scroll down, you'll see that it was listed for 6:00-7:00 p.m.--2600:6C50:27F:889A:F063:D524:ED2B:4A9 (talk) 23:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Episode count update

I think there should be updates on how many episodes both weekday seasons on Nickelodeon had. By now, it's pretty clear Season 1 had 70. 67 are known, and Season 2 had 66; one of them was a Valentine's Special airing on February 14, 1987. https://www.newspapers.com/search/?query=Double%20Dare%20Valentine&ymd=1987-02-14 Loyalist2024 (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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