Talk:Dulwich Hamlet F.C.

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There is discussion at wpfooty here which whilst I wouldn't call consensus but seems to be slanted very much towards not including them if there aren't specific inclusion criteria. There are several problems with the criterion for this page. Firstly it is one that can only grow and grow and become unmanageable. Secondly it is a criterion which if applied to large numbers of other clubs would result in overly cumbersome lists the type of which the discussion at wpfooty specifically says shouldn't be there. The third and most important reason is that as a non league club these players only became notable once they left dulwich and could not have had a wp article previously. Therefore there instability is not something attached to dulwich but their first professional club as per

WP:FOOTY. I have no problem with famous player lists but this shout be slanted towards players who achieved instability at the club in question liked the full international's listed or players who played over x games. That is the reason why the section was tagged with the famous tag for a while as well. Fenix down (talk) 07:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply

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As you point out, the problem was with lists without criteria. Here we have clear criteria, and it is hardly likely to become unmanageable if the current list is so short. If it does grow to the point of being silly, then it could be removed. Number 57 08:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I see with this criterion however, is that you can't have one for Dulwich Hamlet and then not allow it to be applied across other teams and if it was applied across other teams would become an issue. Furthermore there are a number of issues with the players listed:

• Carl Asaba's article mentions he was at Dulwich, but does not mention he played and the statement in the player's article is unsourced. As he was only there for a year, it is difficult to see how Dulwich "produced" him as a professional player, nor how he is really notable for Dulwich.
• Leon Cort, same concerns as Carl Asaba re lack of refs.
• Chris Dickson, no issue with his inclusion, but as played two decent seasons at Erith, again hard to see how Dulwich produced him, they seem simply to have sold him on after one good season.
• Marlon King, same concerns as Carl Asaba re lack of refs. His infobox doesn't even mention Dulwich as a youth club. Given that he is sourced in his own article as a trainee at Barnet before becoming fully pro, it seems unlikely that Dulwich can have any claim to having produced him.
• Simeon Jackson, same concerns as Carl Asaba re lack of refs.
• Albert Jarrett, same concerns as Carl Asaba re refs (the source cited in his article page is a dead link) and Marlon King in that he did not move from Dulwich to a professional contract but rather to a league team academy, so difficult to claim that dulwich produced a pro footballer.
• George Ndah, same concerns as Carl Asaba re refs, same concerns as Marlon King, he was a youth player at Dulwich before moving onto to be a trainee, no a pro at Crystal Palace.
• Alan Pardew. same concerns as Carl Asaba re lack of refs. His soccerbase page only starts with Yeovil unfortunately.

Now I have only made cursory look at the articles, so I apologise if there is a reference there that I have missed and am happy to retract any comment if you can show there is. However, as far as I can see, the only player who has a reference anywhere on WP that shows he played for Dulwich is Chris Dickson, so the others should all be removed as OR. I'm not going to do that just yet as I don't want to get in an edit war and want to give time for these to be sourced. I do however think that Marlon King, Albert Jarrett and George Ndah should be removed as they all went on to other academies prior to becoming professional footballers, so Dulwich can't really be said to have "produced" them. Fenix down (talk) 12:54, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the problem with applying it to other articles, as for many non-League clubs, their role of players who went onto play professionally is a notable aspect of their existence. If your quibble is about wording, then I will just change it to read "former Dulwich players who went onto play professionally include" or something similar. I think going through the player articles and removing information about them playing for Dulwich would be rather

pointy. Number 57 14:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Plus, a quick Google gives refs for Pardew, King, Jackson, Cort, Elokobi, Ndah and Asaba. Number 57 14:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't suggesting removing information from player articles about them playing for Dulwich, not sure where you got that from. I was merely pointing out that only one article had any source in it confirming a player had played for Dulwich on WP as a whole. Not sure how you could possibly equate the removal of unreferenced information with being pointy?!? That's patent nonsense, all unreferenced information should be challenged and potentially removed. If a quick google search provides confirmation, then please add the sources, so your list is no longer OR. My point that several of these players were youth players who played at other academies before turning pro still stands as it means they were essentially minor players, not notable players for Dulwich, but probably best to leave that point moot. Fenix down (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, when you said "so the others should all be removed as OR. I'm not going to do that just yet", I read it as you editing the player articles, rather than this one. As you can see, I have referenced this article. Number 57 15:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the runners-up from the Honours section. Being a runner-up is not an honour - players may receive medals, but as far as I'm aware, clubs do not get a runners-up trophy. Number 57 20:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Dulwich Hamlet also won FA amateur cup in 1933-4 beating Leyton 2-1 (only 3 of 4 wins listed in honours section) 109.144.216.16 (talk) 17:47, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I think this was because the FCHD has the final result wrong. Number 57 20:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the current main badge image for the correct version, in a higher resolution. Found here - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Badge_of_Dulwich_Hamlet_Football_Club,_created_in_1893.png Redfive6787 (talk) 12:18, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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That image is almost certainly a copyright violation and I have nominated it for deletion. Number 57 19:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]