This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sports, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sport-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SportsWikipedia:WikiProject SportsTemplate:WikiProject Sportssports articles
section is incorrect and unsourced. Reliable data is required.
* Fix project template and/or "to do list" Current version causes tables of content to be hidden unless/until reader chooses "show."
firearms on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FirearmsWikipedia:WikiProject FirearmsTemplate:WikiProject FirearmsFirearms articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of fisheries, aquaculture and fishing on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Fisheries and FishingWikipedia:WikiProject Fisheries and FishingTemplate:WikiProject Fisheries and FishingFishing articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pennsylvania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pennsylvania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PennsylvaniaWikipedia:WikiProject PennsylvaniaTemplate:WikiProject PennsylvaniaPennsylvania articles
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
This is the same show, renamed and with a new sponsor. Its new content should be merged to the original article, which should then be moved to its new name, with a redirect for readers looking for its old name. Flapjacktastic (talk) 06:29, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Requested move 22 February 2019
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Oppose - the sources do not bear out the contention that this is a renamed show. This announcement from the NRA describes the ESOS being cancelled. This seems more like a new show in the same venue and covering roughly the same sports, so the merger seems ill-advised because of this. --Netoholic@12:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply] Added: After reading news coverage after the initial announcement of the new show, I'm even more convinced that these topics should not be merged. Certainly, the intent of the new organizer, the venue, and the regional chamber/tourism board is to carry on a tradition, but this isn't a case of someone taking ownership over the show or simply renaming - this is two different shows and we really can't merge them into one topic. -- Netoholic@00:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like a Ship of Theseus problem. If you have a show, but change the management and the name, is it still the same show? Honestly, this isn't even the first change in name/management related to this. In newspaper archives, I can find it being called "Pennsylvania Recreation and Sportsmen's Show" from 1955-1961, "Pennsylvania Sports and Outdoor Show" from 1962-1966, "Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show" from 1967-1971, "Eastern Sports, Camping, and Outdoor Show" from 1972-1973, "Eastern Sports, Boat, Camping, and Outdoor Show" from 1974-1975, "Eastern Sports, Boat, Camping, Travel, and Outdoor Show" from 1976-2003, and then officially back to "Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show" from 2004-2013 (though through some of the longer titles it was colloquially still just called "Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show"). Management has also changed over time, sometimes coinciding with a name change, sometimes not: John Altland (1955-1972), Robert Leidigh/Robert Rockwell (1973), Sherman Exposition Management (1974-1978), Reed Exhibitions (1993-2013). Coverage of the Great American Outdoor Show lately (everything after the first year, so 2015-now) almost never mentions the old show or it being a tradition since 1955. Its a new start. Overall, though, there seems to be a very distinct break in the succession starting with the Great American Outdoor Show taking over, enough that there should be two articles. -- Netoholic@03:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
