Talk:Egg predation

Egg predation has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. Review: January 11, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 20:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't think this is anywhere close to meeting the GA criteria. Only some main points here:

• Start more slowly, define things, provide more background. The "Ecological relationship" starts well with a general definition, but then jumps to the next thing and then to the next, and then we are left with a list of non-coherent examples. Structure and a common threat is lacking in this article.
  • Reworked.

• Ovivores, for example: the term should be defined in a sentence of its own, and I think there should be a "Definitions" sections discussing the terminology.
  • Added.

• The article is poorly organized, including single-sentence paragraphs, and one single heading to capture all.
  • Reorganized.

• Many important aspects of the article are not covered at all, including, but not limited to:
  • the fossil record (Sanajeh comes to mind, but there is more; which is the oldest record of egg predation? Also see Oviraptor ("egg thief") for misinterpretations)
    • Added both.
  • Controlling of egg predators (search for DRC-1339 treated eggs)
    • Added.
  • Strategies to avoid egg predators in animals (only touched on, but there must be much more)
    • Added.
  • r/K selection theory surely needs to be discussed as well
    • Added.
  • Some of the topics already briefly mentioned would, I think, need their own section, e.g. egg predation of introduced species (especially on islands).
    • Added.
  • Also, adaptations for egg predation, both anatomical and behavioral (using stones to crack open eggs, etc.)
    • Added some corvid behaviour.

• In sum, I think GA criterion 3 is not met. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:06, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks. I've reworked the article with the additions you suggest. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Wow, MUCH better already! More points below …
  • Thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• in which they consume the eggs of other species. – this does not seem to be a necessity, see [1] as an example for intraspecific egg predation.
  • Fixed.
• Lead: Egg predation is found widely across the animal kingdom, – the following list of groups reads repetitive, as the first sentence already states "including fish, birds, snakes and insects". Maybe shorten the latter accordingly?
  • Done.
• Lead lacks some wikilinks
  • Edited.
• including in insects – why restricting to insects rather than arthropods? See here fore egg predation by copepods: [2]
  • Fixed.
• Lead: Snakes specialising in egg predation have greatly reduced venom, implying that the main function of venom is to subdue prey. – I think the lead should focus on summarizing the general points made in the article, not on specific examples?
  • Removed.
• late Cretaceous --> Late Cretaceous
  • Done.
• link Sanajeh in image caption?
  • Done.
• such as Eider ducks – why is it capitalised?
  • Fixed.
• Optional: An interesting and complex case of nest predation here [3], might be worth to mention.
  • A curious case. Added.
• Maybe it is worth stating the difference between egg predation and egg parasitism? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added. Addressed all the comments to date. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: The article made a huge step forwards, and is no meeting the GA criteria. Congrats! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:57, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Full sentence is "Since an egg represents a complete organism at one stage of its life cycle, eating an egg is a form of predation, the killing of another organism for food.". This is outright wrong? Not all eggs are fertilized, thus an egg does not "[represent] a complete organism at one stage of its life cycle", unfertilized eggs do not have a life cycle at all? Wallby (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]