Talk:FC Zenit Saint Petersburg

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The result of the move request was no consensus for move. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 17:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related page moves.  Barocci  22:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1) see logo and contact information of the club on the site - FC Zenit Saint Petersburg. 2) too many words name Zenit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WildCherry06 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1a) What contact information you are referring to? I only found "Copyright © 1999-2009, Zenit Football Club" at the bottom.
1b) Regarding logo, what's the point? The logo is in Russian language, but Zenit is never called "Zenit St. Petersburg" in Russian, you as a Russian speaker know that. Anyway, "Saint Petersburg" on the logo is not meant as a part of the club name, that is clear from previous logo,

FC Zenit has always been a redirect to FC Zenit Saint Petersburg and as far as I know, nobody has ever complained about that.  Barocci  23:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply

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• Oppose - This may only be my opinion, but I find "FC Zenit" to be too vague a name for this article. Anyway, the club logo clearly says "Football Club Zenit Saint Petersburg", making the current title perfectly fine. –
  Jay 01:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply
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It really surprises me that people are paying so much attention to logo while ignoring the fact that the club clearly prefers to name themselfs simply "FC Zenit", based on the website evidence. Does logo have undue weight? Any reason why you assume "Saint Petersburg" on the logo to be a part of club's name and not just a mention of the city (did you read my explanation why it is the latter above)? Is every word on logo a part of club's name (should Rangers thus be moved to

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, aren't you?  Barocci  02:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply

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• Oppose. As the nominator says, both "FC Zenit" and "FC Zenit Saint Petersburg" are used. However, "FC Zenit" is the name of more than one club, so it makes sense to retain the "Saint Petersburg" part as a disambiguator. This seems to me as one of those rare win-win cases—we get to disambiguate a common name and still are left with a name that enjoys real-life use.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:37, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

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• Support - actually we shouldn't have this discussion. Some administrator should move the page back as a result of the previous discussion, and if
  talk) 07:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Nice
    campaigning. [3] I very much welcome editors to the discussion, but presenting them the situation in such a POV-ish manner is a bit unconstructive, don't you think? Barocci (talk) 21:22, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply
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    • It's not about campaigning at all, but as I've already stated: this discussion shouldn't be needed as per the previous discussion. I tried to move it back to
      talk) 03:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Support. And agree with Montoz86. It should not have been moved without a new RM. Walrasiad (talk) 13:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Yup, I am
  bold and the very same policy some of your, guys, actions are seemingly relying upon
  says "Editors may make changes without prior discussion" and then "Further discussion should then be undertaken on the article discussion page", so I believe it says I am not obliged to discuss my every single step and I see nothing controversial in moving an article from an incorrect to a correct name, but, if you are interested in discussing the matter, let's do it. However I honestly can't see any discussion on the subject here (which is a bit surprising), so let me start one:
• The move to FC Zenit that I've done is, I believe, an improvement. First of all, the club is never called "Zenit Saint Petersburg" in Russian, it's always just "Zenit", because the club is called that, "Zenit", and nobody really thinks there's a need for any disambiguation between reigning Premier League champions and some Second Division outsider, that's just stupid. Second, the club is clearly prefers to call themselves "FC Zenit" in English as well: their site is http://en.fc-zenit.ru/main/, at the bottom you can see "Football Club Zenit. All rights reserved.", in the club section "Zenit football club was established in May, 1925. At first the team was a part of the Leningrad Metal Plant in the name of Stalin. The club carried the name Stalinets from 1936 to 1940, when the club got its current name – Zenit. FC Zenit is the only team in the Russian Premier League representing St. Petersburg." and so on. Finally, the very reason the article was called FC Zenit Saint Petersburg initially is because of well known
  AZ Alkmaar (note that both articles' names are correct). In case of Zenit, even in the UK-based press, both Zenit and Zenit Saint Petersburg are used, so I believe it is perfectly well to move the article to its correct title, which is simply "FC Zenit". Thank you guys for reading. Barocci (talk) 16:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Example: FC Zenit, Zenit. Note that all recent headlines use simply "Zenit". On a separate note, please don't use any Google hit-based argument, total hits count says nothing about the recent usage because two or three years ago Zenit St Peterburg name were used more often, but now as the club become fairly well known in Europe it is no more the case, so you cannot correctly measure recent usage that way. Barocci (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, and the decision that the nom is referring to was made more that two years ago, things I believe have changed in favour of the move since then (as shown above). Barocci (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Why does the text on the club badge in the article read "Футбольный клуб Зенит Санкт-Петербург", which I believe is the Russian for "Football Club Zenit Saint Petersburg"?Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Citing club logo section of the official website, http://en.fc-zenit.ru/main/history/logo/ : "When Zenit returned to the highest Russian league in 1996, the club brought order to its club documentation: the blue-white-light blues started to come on the field in shirts with the official club emblem – an arrow, a ball, and the golden ship of the Admiralty, with the words Saint-Petersburg Football Team written in a circle around the emblem. Starting from 1998, the team emblem took on a more modern look, and was made an officially-registered trademark. " Note that the text in two previous logos read "Футбольный клуб Зенит Санкт-Петербургский" and "Футбольный клуб Зенит Ленинградский", i.e. "Saint Petersburg Football Club Zenit" and "Leningrad Football Club Zenit", how they managed to loose that "-ский" suffix during the latest redesign I don't know :), but I don't think that this suffix-on-the-latest-logo issue is important for the club nor is it really important for the subject discussed there, as it is perfectly clear from the text cited above that they really meant Football Club Zenit from Saint Petersburg, or, well, at least there's no hint that they meant otherwise. So Zenit case now looks more similar to that of Ajax than that of Inter (thankfully, the former article is not located at FC Ajax Amsterdam either.) Barocci (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • (e/c)There is also an occasionally used naming convention in Russian to write club name as FC Club name (City name), maybe they meant that in the latest redesign but dropped the brackets for aesthetics reasons, a similar convention is used in ru-wiki, for example "Арсенал (футбольный клуб, Лондон)" (Arsenal (football club, London)), Зенит (футбольный клуб, Санкт-Петербург) (Zenit (football club, Saint Petersburg)). Anyways all that is a bit speculative to suggest, the source says Saint-Petersburg Football Team and nothing else so we should stick to that for the matter of logo meaning. Barocci(talk) 22:36, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, that history isn't actually mega clear - no mention of the name change from Stalinets, it just 'happens'. Whe the text including the city's name is mentioned it never says anything along the lines of 'despite not be ing part of the club's official name...'. I note that UEFA [4] and the BBC[5] both call the club, Zenit St Petersburg, so I don't think that FC Zenit is the
            WP:COMMONNAME in English, though it is probably that in Russian.Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply
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            • As far as I know (and the evidence suggests), both "simply" Zenit and Zenit St Petersburg are
              WP:COMMONNAMEs. For example, from the UEFA.com link you've given: "Zenit 2-0 Dinamo Bryansk", "Shakhtar Donetsk 2-2 Zenit", "Zenit 2-1 Lokomotiv Moskva" an so on. Barocci (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply
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              • BBC, on the other hand, prefers Zenit St.Petersburg, while also using [6][7] "simply" Zenit freely. But for an opposite example I've given a link to SkySports search earlier that showed they favour Zenit over Zenit St.Petersburg. Barocci (talk) 22:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
                • It might be that the official name of Zenit is FC Zenit, but UEFA uses FC Zenit St Petersburg as the official name ([8]), and in articles about the club in The Telegraph([9]), ESPN ([10]) and Guardian ([11]) Zenit St Petersburg is used. AZ Alkmaar is often called AZ, even though AZ Alkmaar is the "right" name for a wiki-article, same goes with Inter Milan, Sporting Lisbon, AND Zenit Saint Petersburg. Per
                  talk) 14:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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                  • No, UEFA actually uses shortened version extensively. Just click on "More news" link [12] and read the headlines or scroll down to the Matches section. Barocci (talk) 07:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - the previous RM discussion from November 2009 (Talk:FC Zenit Saint Petersburg#Requested move), which sought to move it to 'FC Zenit' was closed as "no consensus" - even though there was 100% opposition to said move. I suggest a move back. GiantSnowman 17:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • At least in that request back in 2009 there were a couple of arguments, albeit invalid and easily refutable, in favour of "FC Zenit Saint Petersburg" naming. And now nobody cares to elaborate at all. May I politely remind that
    "Wikipedia has established processes to deal with certain procedures. These include deletion discussions and featured content. Because these processes are somewhat institutionalized, they are sometimes wrongly assumed to be majority votes. In reality, Wikipedia's policy is that each of these processes is not decided based on a head count, but on the strength of the arguments presented and on the formation of consensus.". Please, present a clear and valid argument for the article to be named "FC Zenit Saint Petersburg".Barocci (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • We have one arguments, and that is that the discussion was lost two years ago, and nobody supported you. You then waited two years, and instead of starting another discussion you simply moved the page without asking, even though there were nobody in support two years ago. As I've stated before, this page should be moved back by an administrator, and then you can start a new discussion, and I'll start using "arguments".
      talk) 03:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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      • Your suggestion contradicts Wikipedia:Consensus#Reaching consensus through editing policy, already cited. I don't understand why are you pressing for administrative intervention there, as if some administrator should revert all my edits because they are mine, not yours, and you disagree on that naming issue, as well :) Per policies, I was not required to start another discussion, which I didn't because this article doesn't get much attention from editors practically meaning chances that somebody would be interested in elaborating on the subject are small, and that discussion (which really looked like a set of fast thoughtless replies) in 2009 clearly illustrated that. So I believed the move would be an improvement because 1) now as compared to 2009 it is clearer from official club website how they prefer themselves to be called in English, 2) now as compared to 2009 "just" Zenit name is used more often. Times are changing, really. I remember watching Zenit away game against Olympique de Marseille on TV in English back in November or December of 2007, and while Olympique de Marseille was shortened to "OM" they managed to shorten FC Zenit as "ST-PET". Bloody hell! Imagine Chelsea F.C. being shortened as "LOND"! :) Thankfully it's impossible now so yes, times have changed. Barocci (talk) 13:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, there is not needed a RM to move a page, but you did two years ago, and there were no consensus to move it. And Yes, I want administrator intervention since you did moved the page regardless of the consensus to not move the page. It's not your edits I want reverted, it's the page move. And if there is clearer now that the page should be moved, than in 2009, why didn't you start a RM to discuss it, instead of moving the page when you obviously are the only editor that thinks that
          talk) 14:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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          • As far as I know, the Germans call Chelsea "Chelsea London". I think you've got the point anyway. As for you obviously are the only editor that thinks that
            FC Zenit is the right place for this article, it's the arguments' strength, not the votes count that is important in Wikipedia, and if that sole rule didn't exist, I won't be a Wikipedia editor at all. Barocci (talk) 07:39, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• That certainly does not excuse Barocci's having moved in spite of the previous opposition when he knew it would be controversial I obviously didn't know, I thought no one would care. Among the Wikipedians that gathered there, I believe only Ilikeeatingwaffles and me edited the article itself. Barocci (talk) 06:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the subject, I believe you, while in good faith, are passing UK-based sources as English-language sources, but English is a worldwide language and when you would look at the complete picture what you've said (the club is almost always referred to by the expanded title) would not be the case, for example Russian news agencies, which are more reliable sources on a Russian football club as they have better accuracy on this particular subject, don't use the expanded title in headlines at all Itar-TassRIANovosti Russia Today nor do the local newspaper St.Petersburg Times. Barocci (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's why I said "almost always". Local sources are obviously more likely to use the "real name" of the club, but we are obliged to follow common use in order to provide the most familiar name for the majority of our readers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:31, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • True, and then take a look at the issue from another point. Let's assume UK-based readers of Wiki read The Telegraph and the like and prefer FC Zenit St Petersburg. Russia-based readers are used to the official name (by the way FCZ abbreviation is well known itself, for example, it is used on fan scarves [13]) and prefer FC Zenit. How are we supposed to count where are the majority of this article readers from, Russia or UK? And then let's consider Europe, but uefa.com uses both Zenit and Zenit St Petersburg. And then we consider our worldwide audience, but fifa.com, like Russian sources, prefers Zenit in headlines [14]. And then some US news outlet I suppose prefer Zenit St Petersburg so... Well... Unfortunately we could not reasonably measure the most familiar name by asking readers of this article about their preferred news sources. That's why, based on my observations, I came to the conclusion that both names FC Zenit and FC Zenit St Petersburg are roughly
        WP:COMMONNAMEs. Hence the initial move to the correct name. Barocci (talk) 11:27, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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        • It's not about where "this article readers from". Articles are not supposed to be written to cater to a particular audience: they are supposed to be general enough, and provide enough context, for unfamiliar readers as well as fans of the subject. Furthermore, considering that we have a Russian Wikipedia, it does not make particular sense to cater for Russians to the detriment of non-Russians on the English Wikipedia.Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • It's a bit of exaggeration to call redirect a detriment. And I suppose the same audience that reads Russia Today, St. Petersburg Times etc also reads Wikipedia. Barocci (talk) 12:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Please take notice of the proposed move destination. It is not FC Zenit St Petersburg. It is FC Zenit Saint Petersburg. A name that is almost not used at all, even in the UK.[15] If you believe (I don't) that the article should be moved to FC Zenit St Petersburg, then you should indicate that in your replies i.e. "Support move to ... instead" because this request is not about a move to the title some of you are arguing for. Barocci (talk) 10:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good catch. I'm happy for the move to be to the appreviated "St" if that's more common. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:31, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - it is worth noting that the Russian-language version of the article is called 'Zenit (football club, St Petersburg)'. GiantSnowman 11:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've already explained that earlier [16], Russian-language version of Arsenal F.C. article is called 'Arsenal (football club, London)' for the same reasons. Barocci (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• (e/c) Comment. Breaking news! If fact, we have a guideline that covers that exact case. It is called Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports). It explicitly reads:

That is exactly the case of FC Zenit, I made every point clear in previous replies. There was at least one move based on that guideline, FC Dynamo Kiev → FC Dynamo Kyiv. Barocci (talk) 12:12, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• • It seems to me that this discussion would not be started, had I made a reference to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports) in my original move; I however encourage further input on the issue discussed, now with the regard for the guideline cited above. Barocci (talk) 22:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • You mean if you'd known about Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports) at the time. And this still isn't an open-and-shut case: the guidelines document best practice, but where consensus lies one way and the guideline the other it's the guideline that has to give. My impression of the guideline was always that it was intended strictly for spelling, specifically in things like exactly how a Romanised foreign title was converted into Latin script, rather than simple presentation. And then there's the quibbling over what exactly connotes "at least by a significant section of the English-language media", where the section in question appears to be the English editions of local news outlets. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • The guidelines document best practice, but where consensus lies one way and the guideline the other it's the guideline that has to give. No, I believe it is not the way it works.
        WP:COMMONNAME, an established policy, and thus is to be discarded as irrelevant before the consensus is determined. Barocci (talk) 09:59, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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        • My impression of the guideline was always that it was intended strictly for spelling, specifically in things like exactly how a Romanised foreign title was converted into Latin script, rather than simple presentation. The guideline, however, reads pretty clear: if the official spelling of club's name in English is unambiguous, use official name. If the name satisfies conditions 1), 2) and 3), it is unambiguous. "FC Zenit" satisfies 1), 2) and 3) and thus should be used per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports). Note the guideline reads "official name should be used" not "official spelling should be used". Barocci (talk) 10:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • And then there's the quibbling over what exactly connotes "at least by a significant section of the English-language media", where the section in question appears to be the English editions of local news outlets. FIFA.com, UEFA.com and SkySports are not exactly English editions of local news outlets. All these have clearly adopted "FC Zenit", as hyper-links above prove. Barocci (talk) 10:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Er, UEFA call the team Zenit St Petersburg [17] as do Sky Sports[18] and FIFA [19].Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 11:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Obviously these call Zenit both. I'll even do the math for you:

http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=52826/profile/index.html: "Zenit St Petersburg" - 3 times, shortened "Zenit" - 65 times, "Zenit Leningrad" - once used on the page

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7390205/Zenit-confirm-Arshavin-interest: "Zenit St Petersburg" - once, shortened "Zenit" - 4 times

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1552927.html: "Zenit St Petersburg" - once, shortened "Zenit" - 4 times

Barocci (talk) 13:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Counting the uses in one of these articles is irrelevant. An equivalent piece on, say, Manchester United would use the term "Manchester United" at the beginning, and then shorten to "United" for most of the rest of the article. I note that in your 65 "Zenit"s on the UEFA page you include the fixture list, where most of the team names are shortened versions: Tom, Rubin, Terek, etc.Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 13:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So you are basically throwing out names that are shorter than FC Zenit St Petersburg for the reason that they are, er, shorter. This approach is not based on any Wikipedia policy or guideline as far as I know. And please suggest reasons why the uses of "Manchester United" and "Zenit St. Petersburg" are equivalent. I believe they are not: United F.C. would not satisfy conditions in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports). As for what you've called "shortened versions" of other Russian clubs' names, not all but many of them are in fact correct official club names in English as well. Barocci (talk) 14:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You misunderstand, I am merely refuting your claim that UEFA, FIFA and Sky Sports call this club Zenit. The links show that they call the club Zenit St Petersburg, and use Zenit as a short form of this. Are you saying that Tom Tomsk, Rubin Kazan and Terek Grozny are not the correct names for these clubs? Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 15:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Aervanath (talk) 17:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - And this time I will not participate in the discussion, to prevent another Procedural close.
  talk) 20:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose I really fail to see why FC Zenit Saint Petersburg accords with
  WP:COMMONNAME seem to support the move request. An advanced Googlesearch in English for "fc zenit" excluding "wikipedia" gives 2,470,000 hits. A search for "fc zenit saint petersburg" excluding "wikipedia" gives just 537,000 hits. Even a search for "zenit st petersburg" excluding "wikipedia" is more popular, producing 1,620,000 hits. At the present time, I would say the case for a move is not made. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment: Agree that the proposer makes no valid case above. However a valid case is not hard to make, see below, and there seems to be no case at all for the current name; Your ghit counts show nothing at all unless you somehow sort out which of the first search apply to this club and which to the several others by the same name, see FC Zenit (disambiguation). Vote below.Andrewa (talk) 06:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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• Support move to
  FC Zenit St. Petersburg, though it may be a separate topic of discussion whether to include the full stop. Searching Google News indicates that this is the name most commonly used in English-language media. It is also the name used by UEFA here. Favonian (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Support. No case seems to ever have been made that this is the primary meaning of FC Zenit, and it seems unlikely, see
  WP:AT, and which was contrary to a previous RM decision) should be revoked (which is what this move proposes), and the DAB moved to the undisambiguated name. Neutral about Saint, St or St..Andrewa (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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  • I have posted a heads-up at
    requirement. Similarly I think it's a waste of time and effort to reformat this as a multiple move (the main effect of which would be to post a similar heads-up, but by bot rather than by hand). If this move goes ahead the DAB should simply be moved too. Andrewa (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Support move to
  FC Zenit St. Petersburg per Favonian. FC Zenit can be used for disambiguation, since it may refer to multiple teams. Cloudz679 22:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment - I don't think FC Zenit should be used for disambiguation, as FC Zenit St. Petersburg is the club the is most known of the FC Zenit's, and was a redirect to FC Zenit Saint Petersburg before the page was moved here.
  talk) 13:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Support move as above, per Favonian and COMMONNAME. GiantSnowman 11:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved per the sources provided which show the use of the current name in reliable sources. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FC Zenit Saint Petersburg → FC Zenit – Placing this move request on behalf of @Cricket246:, who I will invite to state their reasons. GiantSnowman 09:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi to all. I noted that in Europa League pages that the name "Zenit Saint Petersburg" is used but the club officially names itself as "FC Zenit" so shouldn't we use only "Zenit" as the name in all the competition pages? The official club name is FC Zenit only do I think we shouldn't digress from the original name. Cricket246 (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per both
  reliable sources [20], [21], [22], [23] Zarcadia (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose per above, Zenit St Petersburg is the
  common name. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:24, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply
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