Talk:Ferris Wheel (1893)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus for move. Favonian (talk) 13:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ferris Wheel → Ferris Wheel (1893) – To avoid confusion with Ferris wheel (Ferris wheels in general, whereas Ferris Wheel was the original one. In my opinion, WP should avoid articles with the same names but only different capitalizations. Facts707 (talk) 13:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. How is this an improvement? Has any author ever referred to this subject by the proposed name? Kauffner (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per
  WP:PRECISION. Different capitalization is perfectly fine for different titles. The best way to avoid confusion in cases like this is by means of hatnotes. Station1 (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose per Station1's reasoning above. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Opposeper Station1.--
  WP:FOUR) 21:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply
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• Support. In some cases, disambiguation by capitalization is fine, but in this case, it's non-intuitive and should be avoided. Powers ^T 21:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There is a clear consensus to move, but no consensus on whether Ferris Wheel should point to ferris wheel or a dab page. I will temporarily point it to the dab page to resolve incoming links; the optimal target can be discussed at RfD. (t · c) buidhe 05:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ferris Wheel → Ferris Wheel (1893) – or Ferris Wheel (Chicago World's Fair) or Ferris Wheel at World's Columbian Exhibition. The capital letter seems inadequate to clearly distinguish this Ferris wheel from all the others. The same suggestion failed ten years ago, but maybe consensus has changed since then (and one of the opponents has been indef blocked for sockpuppetry). Disambiguation by capitalization is sometimes OK, but here it seems to fail to clearly identify the subject. This is not to distinguish the title of a book or film from other topics; here the 'W' is attempting to identify one wheel among many. — BarrelProof (talk) 02:40, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for the same reasons as last time. The W, in conjunction with the hatnote and the first paragraph, is more than adequate to distinguish the title of the article about the original from its generic namesakes. There is no evidence that this has been causing any problems, so turning "Ferris Wheel" into a dab page would simply inconvenience anyone looking for this article, by adding an unnecessary extra step. Station1 (talk) 08:40, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as to mainly just differentiate the title of the generic concept as well as potentially other ferris wheels out their with the same name from this particular wheel.
• Support A glance at the references shows that the capital W isn't universally used when referring to this particular wheel. Too ambiguous. 162 etc. (talk) 16:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  As

  WP:NATURAL disambiguation, it's not necessary for the W to be always capitalized, only sometimes. And the refs show it capitalized far more often than not. In fact, Ferris Wheels: An Illustrated History makes exactly the same distinction that we are making here. Station1 (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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• Support per
  WP:SMALLDETAILS. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Support and move
  WP:DIFFCAPS, no clear primary topic for the capitalized version so its safest to disambiguate especially since there are several other proper nouns. The generic topic gets 15,239 views compared to only 2,453 for this one[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Support (strongly) per nom. Maybe Redirect "Ferris Wheel" to
  WP:SMALLDETAILS to differentiate. Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Support but "Ferris Wheel" should redirect to the generic article at Ferris wheel per Wikipedia:Redirect. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:37, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  It probably shouldn't redirect there but to the DAB per

  WP:DIFFCAPS especially given this wheel appears to be the origin of the term, its safest to disambiguate the upper case version. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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• Support per nom. Redirect Ferris Wheel to Ferris wheel. A capped letter is not enough of a distinction for a separate title; hardly ever. Dicklyon (talk) 05:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – Even if you present a convincing case that "Ferris Wheel" should direct here rather than there, there's no harm in disambiguating the title, especially considering that there are other less famous Ferris wheels simply named Ferris Wheel. I prefer the 1893 DAB option as far as that goes. As for the argument that the hatnote is "more than adequate", apparently not considering this is the second attempt to address the concern. --GoneIn60 (talk) 14:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. The generic term is very often capitalised and is the clear primary topic. Ferris Wheel should redirect to Ferris wheel. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]