Talk:Film gris

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Hmm, interesting but could do with the names of some films that are examples of genre. Cdh1984 (talk) 07:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of film-noir. It might be useful to look at [1] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein (talk) 23:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although Andersen's definition of "film gris" is the most often cited, Charles Higham, Joel Greenberg and John Tuska use this term as well, but in a different sense. This should be worked into the article. James Naremore's book on noir gives a good overview on the subject. – Robert Kerber (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the list of characteristics, the pessimistic worldview and social message are clearly connected to the intended leftist critique. However, the connection between this agenda and a femme fatale with more obvious intentions is less obvious. Does the femme fatale act as a stand-in for social ills? Is she, too, a victim of circumstance? Both are plausible, but may serve different messages, and a reader would need to already be familiar with the subject to know which is more typical. Furthermore, the term "audience identification" seems ambiguous; further elaboration on both subjects from someone more familiar with the genre would be an asset. DLMacLeod (talk) 20:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]