Talk:Germany national rugby union team

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West Germany - East Germany

I suggest uncoupling the West German material and putting it in a separate article. After all, for the best part of half a century there was no German state as such. I will endeavour to find out about the East German team too.--MacRusgail (talk) 18:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Without claiming to have a neutral view on this, I don't think the separation of Germany and West Germany is not neccessary. Rugby in West Germany was administrated by the DRV, as it is now and the official name of West Germany, Bundesrepublik Deutschland is still the official name, too. I think, the current team Germany is a continuation of the pre-war Germany and the post-war West Germany. East Germany is a sepparate, temporary entity.

talk) 00:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply

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"East Germany is a sepparate, temporary entity." - East Germany, whatever the behaviour of its regime, had as much right to call itself Germany as the West. The West may have been bigger, but the East retained the capital, Berlin. Germany is a successor state of BOTH parts - not one. Germany refers to the state in WWII and before, and the post-Berlin Wall state, not one part alone. --MacRusgail (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "Federal Republic of Germany" (now also known as "Germany") is not a successor of either the "German Democratic Republic" (then also known as "East Germany") nor of the "Federal Republic of Germany" (then also known as "West Germany"), but it is still the same "Federal Republic of Germany" which was then also known as "West Germany" (because there was another one eastward) and is now also known as simply "Germany", because there isn't another one any more. The constitution of the present day Germany dates from 1949, not 1990, and there was the same Chancellor, President, Bundestag and Bundesrat of the Federal Republic of Germany (though the latter two gained additional members) on October 1st and on October 31st 1990. And East Germany never had West Berlin. --Caballito (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rather then me going into lengthy explanations, try

talk) 02:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply

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It is ludicrous to refer to East Germany as just some "temporary" entity. Germany only came into existence as a properly unified state under the Prussians in the late 19th century. And well over a quarter of the time since then Germany was divided.

The only way in which West Germany is a "legal" successor is that its regime didn't collapse, but the other one did. The West German matches should be included in a separate article. This pretty much sums up the arrogant Wessi takeover of East Germany - pretty much a kind of colonialism. Just as it is impossible to justify the dictatorship of North Korea, it is also wrong to claim that South Korea is somehow "Korea".

Also, whatever the retroactive provisions of today - it was always referred to as West Germany, or German Federal Republic etc, not as "Germany" 'at the time.--MacRusgail (talk) 14:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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