Talk:Greenbelt (Golden Horseshoe)

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Greenbelt (Golden Horseshoe) → Ontario Greenbelt —

• This move was proposed 3 weeks ago and has not received objections. Need administrator assistance since Ontario Greenbelt already exists as re-direct. --Natural R_X 20:40, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am proposing to move this article to Ontario Greenbelt. While it seems reasonable, I wanted to initiate a discussion only because there is another greenbelt located in Ottawa. Basically, my main arguments for this move:

• This greenbelt is much larger than the other; 7200 vs. 200 km².
• A google search produces unanimous results in reference to this greenbelt.
• [1] [2] [3] [4] identify it as "Ontario's Greenbelt. [5] [6] do not distinguish the greenbelt from the one in Ottawa.

I think its size and the government's language have established it as 'Ontario's Greenbelt'. I don't think it will take away from the Ottawa one as long as the other uses template is retained at the top of the article. --Natural R_X 19:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. The greenbelt of Ottawa is not known as and never called "Ontario Greenbelt", so there is no issue confusing the two. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 13:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Neither the infobox, nor the article lede, nor the official website of the subject refer to the subject as "Ontario Greenbelt". Plain "Greenbelt" seems to be correct. Is there a source to demonstrate the proposed name is correct? Alternatively, perhaps the disambiguation should change? --Bsherr (talk) 21:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is another greenbelt in Ottawa, and many more around the world. Hence why I proposed the move 3 weeks ago facilitating discussion. My main rationales however are that this greenbelt is the larger of two in Ontario (7200 vs. 200 km²), a google search for "Ontario Greenbelt" produces unanimous results in reference to this greenbelt, and [7] [8] [9] [10] identify it as "Ontario's Greenbelt". --Natural R_X 21:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, with a caveat. Found this and this which support the idea of the new title, but even within these sites the area is referred to as both "Ontario Greenbelt" and "Ontario's Greenbelt". I'm partial to the latter, but can live with either one. Reference to the Golden Horseshoe in the title of the article is misleading. PKT(alk) 21:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How is it misleading? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Opposed, as it is not the only greenbelt in Ontario. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Mildly opposed (count me as 1/2 of a vote) I agree with all of Natural RX's arguments. Including that this greenbelt is so much more large and prominent that it could lay claim to being Ontario's greenbelt. The problem is that in Wikipedese (sentence case for titles unless it's a real-world title) the exact proposed title "Ontario Greenbelt" with a capital "G" is a statement that such is the title of the place, and such does not appear to be the case. Maybe someone could dig deeper and see if it has some title beside just "Greenbelt" Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:15, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• I never read through the discussion but as someone who is not from Ontario but has heard of the Ottawa and GTA greenbelts I would find it confusing for this article to be called the Ontario Greenbelt. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 02:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Opposed, as it is not the only greenbelt in Ontario. UrbanNerd (talk) 04:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Opposed - Ontario Greenbelt isn't the name. Not the only greenbelt in Ontario. The proposal is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. And my google search of "Greenbelt Ontario" (the two words, not the phrase) resulted in 447,000, while "Greenbelt Ottawa" (again, the words, not the phrase) resulted in 4,580,000 hits, while oddly enough when I reverse the words I get 447,000 hits for Ontario and 416,000 for Ottawa - while specific Google searches are not really determinative of anything (especially this one), both results make me doubt the assertion that the Golden Horseshoe greenbelt is so, so, so much better known, or that the Ottawa greenbelt is "not known". --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And in response to those that have found online references to "Ontario's Greenbelt", it is similarly easy to find online references to names such as "Greater Golden Horseshoe Greenbelt" (see, for example, this, this, or even this which refers to both "Greater Golden Horseshoe Greenbelt" and "Ontario's Greenbelt" - all from the first page of a Google search). --Skeezix1000 (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Nay to the proposed move as it is not at all a proper name and is misleading to diminish and deny the existence of any others in the province. It has the connotation that there is nothing else to Ontario but that tiny bit of the country. Though not officially a formal "greenbelt" there is much of the province that effectively is a greenbelt due to lack of any interest in development and that area vastly exceeds the formal Greenbelt in the south. The self-assertion to being Ontario's Greenbelt [11] is somewhat akin to claiming all the counties and cities further than Oshawa and Barrie are not really part of Ontario. The Greenbelt Protection Act, 2004 makes no mention of a formal name. [12] The legislation itself, the Greenbelt Act, 2005, calls it the "Greenbelt Area" which is to be managed according to the "Greenbelt Plan" by the "Greenbelt Council". [13] The Greenbelt Statute Law Amendment Act, 2005 continues to name it "Greenbelt Area". [14] Titling the article "Greenbelt Area" would technically work, though still probably require disambiguation, but the formal name is itself redundant for a greenbelt is an area. I would also support moving it to exactly where it now is, Greenbelt (Golden Horseshoe). delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 22:32, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Support This Greenbelt was created by the provincial government of Ontario, whereas the Ottawa Greenbelt is maintained by the Nation Capitol Commission. Furthermore, referring to it as the Golden Horseshoe Greenbelt is a bit of a misnomer, as the Greenbelt extends all the way up to the Bruce Peninsula.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 02:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would this then mean the one in Ottawa should be Greenbelt (Canada) or Canada Greenbelt ? This is more than GTA, more than GH, but less than Southern Ontario; is there a name for this area? The greenbelts seem to be disambiguated by location not by legislative body that declared them to be greenbelts. The Ottawa one is around Ottawa and this one is around the Golden Horseshoe. I declared my back yard to be a greenbelt... does it get named Greenbelt (Calgary) or Greenbelt (jessica) ? Suppose i also declared the backyard of my family's home a greenbelt... is that Greenbelt (Sudbury) or Greenbelt (jessica 2) ? delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 04:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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