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Was Hope Lange born in 1931 or 1933? Suddenly, the 1933 date appears. Hotwine8 23:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered that, too. She made her Broadway debut in 1943, in “The Patriots”. Being born towards the end of 1933 would probably have made her only 9 years old, with a slim possibility of being 10. IMDB says she was born in 1933, but also says she was 11 for the Patriots debut. This is consistent with a 1931 birth, as we previously had. This says she was 12, also a possibility with a 1931 birth. This explicitly denies 1931, but gives no proof. The web is full of cites that say 1931, and others that say 1933. We need something definitive like a birth certificate. -- JackofOz (talk) 13:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While doing research on a Hope Lange magazine photo, Radio Hat, I found several reliable sources indicating the correct year must be 1933. I would trust The New York Times and Los Angles Times to get the birth date of Broadway and Hollywood actress correct. Anyway, the US Government thinks 1933 is correct.

• "News of the Stage". The New York Times. February 21, 1942. p. 14. "Life, Laughter and Tears" arrives at the Booth on March 11. Mildred Dunnock, Gene Ross, Mervin Taylor, Hope Lange and Joan Shepherd are recent additions to the cast.

• Nichols, Lewis (January 30, 1943). "The Play". The New York Times. p. 11. Review of the play The Patriots at the National Theatre. Hope Lange played Anne Randolph.

• "Ganz Plays Works By Girl, 13, Boy, 14". The New York Times. April 8, 1945. p. 36. Annual "Young People's Concerts" awards. A ribbon was given to Hope Lange, 11.

• "Youth Awards Given For Music Notebooks". The New York Times. April 7, 1946. p. 40. A ribbon was given to Hope Lange, 12.

• "Versatile Greenwich Villager, 17, Tell Her Sprightly Buffet Recipes". The Lowell Sun. February 20, 1951. p. 4.

New York - Seventeen-year-old Hope Lange of Greenwich Village, New York, has her choice of careers. She could be a musician like her father (who until his death 10 years ago, was director of music for

Florenz Ziegfeld

), a caterer like her mother, a professional model (she models teen-age fashion part-time now), or a dancer. All though at the moment she has made up her mind to be a dancer, she will always be a good cook, because she learned to cook and to love it in nine years of helping in her mother's business, Ruth Halo Oliver tells you how Hope makes her "terrific" sandwiches for her teen-age friends:

• Corry, John (July 1, 1977). "Broadway". The New York Times. p. 41. "Miss Lange was on Broadway at the age of 9, appearing in something called The Patriots, and speaking one line. 'Oh, goody, grandpa,' she said, 'may I get the broom?' "

• Chase, William D. (1988). Chase's Annual Events: Special Days, Weeks and Months in 1988. McGraw-Hill. p. 263.
  ISBN 9780809246670. Hope Lange, actress, born at Reading Ridge, CT, Nov 28, 1933 {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help
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• Polgreen, Lydia (December 22, 2003). "Hope Lange, Versatile Actress And Emmy Winner, Dies at 70". The New York Times. Retrieved March 13, 2009. "Ms. Lange was born in November 1933"

• Oliver, Myrna (December 22, 2003). "Hope Lange, 70; Drew an Oscar Nomination for 'Peyton Place'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved March 13, 2009.

• According to the Social Security Death Index, Hope Lange was born on "28 Nov 1933" and died on "19 Dec 2003". The last residence was in zip code 90024 and her Social Security Number, 126-xx-xxxx, was issued in New York.

-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an early publication of the 1931 date:

• Whitney, David C. (1985). Reader's Digest Almanac and Yearbook, 1985. p. 277.
  ISBN 9780895772015
  . Hope Lange (1931- ). actress This was also on page 281 of the 1981 edition.

-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 01:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hope last appeared on Broadway in "The Supporting Cast" at the Biltmore Theater which opened August 6, 1981. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.210.51.138 (talk) 15:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hope Lange's family. The 1920 census has a Minette Buddecke, a lodger in New York City. She was 21 years old as of January 1920 and single. Her occupation is an actress. She and both of her parents are from Saint Louis, Missouri.

The Social Security Death Index has a Minette Lange born May 12, 1898 and died Oct 1970 in zip code 03755 (Hanover, Grafton, NH) The Social Security number 123-xx-xxxx was issued in New York.

The 1930 census has a John G. Lange, a home owner in Redding, Connecticut. His occupation was a musician in an orchestra. John was 45 at his last birthday; this census was taken on April 8, 1930. He was born in New Jersey and both of his parents are from Germany. His wife, Minette, is 30 and from Missouri. There are two daughters in the home; one 7 and the other 2 1/2. The hand writing in the census can be difficult; but the eldest appears to be Minelsa Minelda B and the younger is Joy C. Both were born in New York. (Minelda Lange married Edgar Jiras on Aug 27, 1949; her sister Joy Carolyn Lange was maid of honor.)

Scott Donaldson's biography on John Cheever is well referenced and even list the dates he interviewed his sources. He interviewed Hope Lange in October 1984 and her brother David in the June 1985. Both the Langes knew and worked with John Cheever. (Hope appears to have known Cheever very well.) This quote is about Hope's background in Greenwich Village. "She grew up there with her brother and two sisters, supported by the restaurant - the Minetta Tavern in Washington Square- run by and named after her mother." Donaldson also mentions that David was in his twenties in 1964.

Donaldson, Scott (2001). John Cheever: A Biography. iUniverse. p. 209.

David Lange had the misfortune of knowing Karyn Kupcinet. The actress was murdered in November 1963. Crime writer, James Ellroy, (L.A. Confidential) wrote about the Kupcinet murder in GQ magazine and the story was later included in his book Crime Wave. The story mentions that Lange was 27 at the time. The Social Security Death Index has possible match, a David W. Lange who was born "28 Aug 1935" and died "07 Apr 2005". His Social Security number was issued in New York.

• ISBN 9780375704710. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help
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-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 04:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lange, John George, musician, on Sept. 13, husband of Minerre Buddecke Lange. Brother of Joan C. Bowley. Services Volk Funeral Home, Washington St. and 7th Ave. Hoboken, N. J., Wednesday, Sept 16, 10:30 A.M

• "Deaths". The New York Times. September 15, 1942. p. 23.

From the Social Security Death Index

Minelda L Jiras, b 15 Apr 1922, d 08 Sep 2004, Last Residence 05088 (Wilder, Windsor, VT) SSN issued New York

Joy L Boardman, b 26 Apr 1927, d 12 Jun 2007, Last Residence 05088 (Wilder, Windsor, VT) SSN issued New York

-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that Donaldson, however diligent, is confused about this restaurant run by Hope's mother. The Minetta Tavern was open certainly by 1937 at the latest; it stands on the corner of Minetta Lane in a neighborhood called the Minettas, which is sufficient explanation for its name; and it served cheap Italian dishes. I am guessing that Minette Buddecke's background was not Italian. If she opened a restaurant called Minette of Washington Square, in Washington Square, then it must have been a different restaurant. Donaldson's confusion is understandable. This being Wikipedia, I know we rely on verifiable sources, and unfortunately it's going to be hard to find a source saying that Donaldson is wrong, as he surely must be. Thoughts?74.64.107.49 (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again[reply]

I agree about the weakness restaurant's name. I pieced the following paragraph together for repeated Goolge book searches. This is from Coronet magazine vol. 46 (circa 1959).

Her mother was Minette Buddecke Lange, a Shakespearean actress. Hope's father died in 1942, leaving his widow with four small children--Hope's older sister, Minelda, Hope, her little sister, Joy, and the baby, David. To make ends meet, Minette opened a tiny restaurant in Greenwich Village. Minelda acted as cashier, Hope and Joy waited on tables, and David hauled supplies from the market in his express wagon. The restaurant was an instant success. One of its regular customers was Mrs. Franklin D. Roosevelt, who lived nearby. When she came to dine, she often brought Fala, the President's famous dog, and Hope would walk him around the block while his mistress dined. Encouraged by their mother, the Lange children often put on plays for their own amusement.

-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 03:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here is Minette Buddecke Lange's obituary from the New York Times; Oct 31, 1970; pg. 32

Mrs. John G. Lange

Mrs. Minette Buddecke Lange, who ran Minette's restaurant in Macdougal Street from 1944 to 1956, died Oct. 23 in a nursing home in Hanover, N. H. Her age was 71. She was the widow of John George Lange, composer and conductor.

Surviving are a son, David Lange, a film producer; three daughters, Hope Lange, the actress; Mrs. Minelda Jiras and Mrs. Joy Boardman: a sister, Mrs. Elda Stemmler, and six grandchildren.

-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 05:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that there might have been two restaurants with such similar names, but all sources I've found say The Minetta Tavern was open in the 1930s, and it was surely named after Minetta Lane, on the corner of which it stands. It doesn't really affect the main body of the article, but I think it would be helpful to enter the conflicting information about the Minetta Tavern (with sources) in the footnote which mentions it. One doesn't even need to draw a conclusion, just point out the discrepancy.KD Tries Again (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again[reply]

The answer is - Minette of Washington Square

"When I was a child," Hope explains, "my mother ran a restaurant in New York's

Washington Square. She cooked in the little kitchen and I waited table. My sister was the

cashier and my brother ran deliveries. The place was called Minette of Washington Square."

• Scott, Vernon (November 10, 1971). "Hope Lange Swings When Off Screen". Logansport Pharos-Tribune and Press. Logansport, Indiana. United Press International. p. 8.

Macdougal Street runs to the south west side of Washington Square Park, it becomes Washington Square West. Eleanor Roosevelt lived at 29 Washington Square West from 1945 to 1949. -- SWTPC6800 (talk) 03:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great quote. I'll add that to the footnote, and the issue is resolved I think. Avoids people researching Minetta Tavern getting puzzled in future, which is what happened to me.KD Tries Again (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again[reply]

I redid the Early Life section. I think I included your changes and references. -- SWTPC6800 (talk) 04:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's neater. Thanks.KD Tries Again (talk) 19:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again[reply]

I'm genuinely shocked, shocked, I tell you, that no mention has been made of "Crowhaven Farm". This is a gem of a TV movie that rode the popular crest to success of "Rosemary's Baby". Ms. Lange had garnered a well-labored reputation for appearing in what was then referred to as "melo-dramatic" roles in which she the played the swwmingly clueless, though dubious innocent in these films. The TV movie itself was excellent; so much so, that I'll bet that Rod Serling and Al Hitchcock wished they had thought of the story. An article should be written for this excellent film. --67.86.110.59 (talk) 18:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)Veryverser[reply]

In the career section, it says "She starred from 1968 to 1970 in the popular television series, The Ghost & Mrs. Muir ..." As I recall, the show was well received by the critics, but it was not popular. It was cancelled by NBC after one season and then cancelled again after it moved to ABC for one year. The Wikipedia article on the TV series indicates it was cancelled both times due to low ratings, which I wouldn't describe as "popular". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdarrenbailey (talk • contribs) 17:18, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The term "popular" has been removed from the article. -- SWTPC6800 (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]