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Somebody redirected The Ilocano Diaspora and the North Luzon Super Region which had good info on it. Here's what was there...

Tagalog and IIlocanao have 14 constanets The

Ilocanos
are descendants of Austronesian-speaking people from southern China who reached northwestern Luzon. The families and clans arrived by boats called viray or bilog. The term Ilocano originated from the word looc, meaning cove or bay. So Ilocano means “people of the bay.” The Ilocanos also refer to themselves as Samtoy, a contraction from the phrase sao mi ditoy (our language here).

The Ilocanos are known to be frugal, resilient, industrious, patient, and resourceful people. These traits vital for survival are the results of the harsh geographical location and extreme weather patterns of their homeland, the Ilocos Coast.

The Homeland

The Ilocos Coast is a narrow coastal plain with river deltas. When the written record began in the late sixteenth century, the “Ylocos” was already a coastal region of relative cultural homogeneity. According to G. P. Dasmariñas’s Relacion de las Islas Pilipinas, which was prepared for King Philip II of Spain in 1591, the Ilocos Coast was divided into three zones: Northern Ilocos, Middle Ilocos, and Southern Ilocos. The Northern Zone corresponds with the present province of Ilocos Norte and had an estimated population of 23,200. The Middle Zone includes the northern half of the contemporary Ilocos Sur and the Abra River valley and had an estimated population of 21,520. The Southern Ilocos covers the southern half of the modern day Ilocos Sur and the northern half of the present La Union and had an estimated population of 15,200. The total population of Ilocos Coast was about 10 percent of the total population of the entire Spanish colony as reported by Dasmariñas.

The Ilocos Coast contained only 3.1 percent of the total land area of the colony. The Ilocos population density in 1591 was 66 persons per thousand hectares of land, and was nearly three times the overall population density for the colony, which was only 22 persons per thousand hectares of land.

The Ilocos Coast has been heavily populated throughout its recorded past. Between 1817 and 1876, the region experienced an annual growth rate of 1.2 percent. By 1876, the regional population had reached one-half million. The growing population resulted to a high ratio of population to agricultural resources.

The Diaspora

The mounting population pressure due to the substantial population density during the mid-1800s caused the migration of the Ilocanos out of their historic homeland. By 1903, more than 290,000 Ilocanos migrated to Central Luzon, Cagayan Valley and Manila. More than 180,000 moved to Pangasinan, Tarlac, and Nueva Ecija. Almost 50,000 moved to Cagayan Valley; half of them resided in Isabela. Around 47,000 lived in Zambales.

The Ilocano Diaspora continued in 1906 when Ilocanos started to migrate to

North Cotabato, and South Cotabato
.

The Super Region

The North Luzon Super Region covers the homeland and the expansion areas of the Ilocanos. It includes the Ilocos Region, Cordillera Administrative Region, Cagayan Valley, and the municipalities of the provinces of Tarlac (north of Tarlac City), Nueva Ecija (north of Cabanatuan City), Zambales (north of Subic) and Aurora (north of Baler).

Reference

Doeppers, Daniel F. and Xenos, Peter. Population and History. Quezon City: Ateneo University Press, 1998

See also

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List of Ilocanos

Are you sure some of the people listed here are Ilocanos. Jejomar Binay is an Ibanag. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=584239&publicationSubCategoryId=63 http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/2009/june/24/alvinCapino.htm Marlou Aquino is not an Ilocano. Fernando Poe, Sr. is not an Ilocano. Gloria Romero is not an Ilocano. There may be Pangasinan people, who learned to speak Ilocano, but that does not make them into Ilocanos. Similarly, Ilocanos, who learned Tagalog, are not supposed to be Tagalogs? Gilbert Teodoro is Kampampangan who learns to speak ilocano. You should put the ones who are most likely Ilocanos like Jason Abalos and Maja Salvador. Doug Kramer is From La Union. So he's most likely Ilocano. Marc Pingris is from Pangasinan. and he speaks Ilocano and half of the population of Pangasinan is Ilocano.<- That does not follow that he is Ilocano, unless he claims that he is. http://firequinito.com/archives/104-PBA-Finals-San-Miguel,-Ginebra-split-weekend-games-as-suspensions-mar-game-3.html http://www.mb.com.ph/node/66971 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.19.83 (talk) 04:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Ilocano authors of this article are day-dreaming listing people who are not claiming they are Ilocanos. It seems they are thinking that the whole of northern Luzon is inhabited by Ilocanos. That's the reason why Ilocanization is a threat to Northern Luzon cultures similar to what Tagalization is doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.54.61 (talk) 12:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not the entire La Union is composed of Ilocanos. Before the formation of La Union 9 Barangays of original Pangasinan was taken to formed La Union and it's official language of today is Ilocano and now they make them Ilocanos because they already speak Ilocanos. Pangasinense people has different languages too but it doesn't make them Ilocano only because they speak the language. Pangasinense people speak Pangasinan, Bolinaoan, Ilocano, or Tagalog etc. and Our official language is Pangasinan. We, people that was born in Pangasinan are called Pangasinense even if we do have Ilocano ancestors that came from Ilocos or speak Ilocano but it doesn't make us Ilocano. We are proud Pangasinense too from Pangasinan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.43.41 (talk) 19:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pangasinan and Ilocos

Ilocos region is a misnomer, especially since around 30% are not Ilocanos, they are Pangasinans. The Ilocanos should learn that they could not expect cooperation from the Pangasinans, if they countinously deny that Pangasinan is a different ethno-linguistic group from them. The Pangasinans and the Ilocanos have fought battles together for a long time; but this denial from the Ilocano side only weakens the relationship and prevents any alliance from the two groups. The Ilocanos should learn from the Austro-hungary empire, when two ethnic groups--the Austrian Germans and Hungarians--cooperated to form their empire. The region should not be called "Ilocos Region"; it should be called "Ilocos-Pangasinan Region". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.54.130.243 (talk) 18:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Why does the title use a different spelling than the rest of the article? Has that been discussed? Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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2601:199:580:6774:B1BC:C7BD:155F:D88 (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC) the reason i  want you to change it because ilocanos are not these Religions, their Religion is Islam if you read ilocano history really really well you would have know that their are muslim not these Religions down here.[reply]

Predominantly Roman Catholicism, Aglipayan minority, Iglesia ni Cristo, Protestantism, Members Church of God International, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam, Buddhism

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Section "Notable Ilocanos"

WT:TAMBAY. I basically agree that the section is highly problematic, even if split out. What is the cut-off criterion? Approximately one out eleven Filipinos is Ilocano, so obviously we cannot list all Ilocanos who have a WP entry here (that pupose is served by Category:Ilocano people). Austronesier (talk) 21:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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I suggest the entire section be deleted and replaced with an image of either Antonio Luna or Ferdinand Marcos, two prominent Ilocano figures appearing in Category:Top-importance Philippine-related articles. The image, with an appropriate description, can then be embedded within a pertinent section. –Sanglahi86 (talk) 09:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Austronesier and Sanglahi86: I would be in favor of splitting it off. There already is the much worse List of Boholanos, atleast the Ilocano list has a few sources. I checked out a whole bunch of other "list of ethnic group" articles but none seem to have any sort of agreement on notability in the talk page. It seems to be "just do whatever", unfortunately. --Glennznl (talk) 08:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split suggestions

Here is the talk section for discussing splitting the articles "History of the Ilocano people", "Ilocano religion", "Ilocano mythology", and "Ilocano culture". They were getting too long on this article to edit comfortably. I will be moderately hands-off with discussion overall and give you all wide latitude on carrying it out. You are welcome to disagree. Good luck. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 06:41, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And "Notable Ilocanos", as well. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 07:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, most of those sections contain a lot of unsourced information. It would be better to clean up the unsourced text, rather then turning them into new, unsourced articles. --Glennznl (talk) 12:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not opposed to the idea of splitting off multiple sections, although I agree with Glennznl that it's probably best to do cleanup here first, before performing the splits (and thus somewhat dissociating the edit histories) for those topics. Perhaps more importantly, it's important that there be a stubbified version of the excised text which stays here, and that it be a good overview of the removed material- Batongmalake (talk) 01:03, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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