Talk:Islamic honorifics

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Archive of Talk:Peace be upon him

Which of the phrases in the article directly match that phrase abbreviated 'PBUH'? Which would be abbreviated as 'SAW'? It would be nice for people who have seen PBUH to know which phrase was equivalent. Shenme 02:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is "Alayh-es-salat-u wa-s-Salam" though it means "Upon him exaltations and peace". -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 11:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• PBUH is the initials of English "Peace be unto Him". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This page being called "Islamic honorifics" is unnecessarily confusing. In the first place, as noted in the article itself, what is listed in the article are not properly considered "honorifics" the way that English honorifics are. In the second, because there are several articles that use it for people like the English (cultural) version does -- Indian honorifics, Italian honorifics, French honorifics -- the fact that this one uses it in a devotional manner makes it confusing. I'm not sure what the correct term for these phrases are but I suggest that someone more versed in Islam make a change. Thegreatmuka (talk) 15:20, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I fear I have messed up the article separating it from the talk page. Islamic honorifics had been redirected to

@Awesome Aasim, Jonesey95, Editor2020, Abdul Muhsy, Zmelaheh, 0Nanashi1, Heshbi, LissanX, Lhimec, Eleven even, NYCDOT, JIP, Doug Weller, ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ, Glide08, Ayman ibn Tanweer, Hadysylmy, Dan Leonard, and Greyjoy: You have edited one of these two pages in the past year & may have an opinion on the matter. I wasn't sure what criterion to use for potentially interested editors, so I went broad. Please do ignore this if you don't care about the matter, & forgive the ping. Pathawi (talk) 12:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to the merge.- Abdul Muhsy talk 14:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If Peace be upon Him's usage as a Jewish honorific doesn't warrant a page of its own, neither should its use as an Islamic one. Glide08 (talk) 15:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If they're all sperate topics, religion's and this have separate meaning to those faiths shouldn't they then remain separate as in regards to the respect of each religion? Merging them into one page doesn't pay respect or show adequately the meaning to each religion respectively... Jmurphy042000 (talk) 03:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be more specific they have different meanings to each faith or religion. One may have different or less meaning than it does to another and the words may vary slightly, especially when it comes to translation Jmurphy042000 (talk) 03:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmurphy042000: I think there may be a misunderstanding. This isn't a proposal to merge articles about the Arabic/Islamic & Hebrew/Jewish phrases translated into English as 'Peace be upon him/her/them': It's about merging two articles exclusively about Islamic speech practices which—as currently written—cover largely overlapping content. There is no article exclusively on the Hebrew phrase, & no current proposal to merge articles related to Judaism & Islam. I think what Glide08 is saying is that since the comparable Hebrew phrase is incorporated into a larger article on Judaism, the Arabic phrase shouldn't have a page of its own, & should be incorporated into a page on Islam. I hope I'm not misrepresenting their point. Pathawi (talk) 05:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pathawi: That's exactly what I meant. Glide08 (talk) 11:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've begun the merger. I am doing some clean-up, but am mostly working on making sure that nothing gets lost. A lot of cleaning is needed. Pathawi (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should the content of

• Merge I am, of course, the one making the proposal. There's been a little conversation at Talk:Peace be upon him. In brief, that page as it stands goes far beyond the phrase in its title and covers much the same content as this page. In some cases it does so better. As this page has the more general title, & as there's been little substantive editing on the other page specifically related to the phrase عليه السلام 'peace be upon him', I propose that the contents of that page be merged into this one. Pathawi (talk) 06:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  WP:MERGE#Notify involved users (optional). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:53, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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I don't suppose there's any point by this time in mentioning it, but: in English we wish peace be with someone, not upon them. It's just a fluke of linguistics that Arabic does many things with the one preposition 'alā that other languages do with other prepositions, and if the English versions of these honorifics tend to wish peace "upon" people, it's only because someone, possibly long ago, was ridiculously over-literal in their translation. Wegesrand (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I read the Indonesian version of this article and found some interesting parts that might not be here. need to be added? ^꧋ꦩꦣꦪ Fazoffic ( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ) 13:32, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Indonesian version have good source citing? I'm asking because one of the desiderata for this article has been better sourcing. I haven't personally been able to get around to doing that work, & it seems like no one else has, yet, either. Maybe Indonesian is doing better than we are? Pathawi (talk) 13:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ﷺ redirects to this article, but it's not mentioned anywhere. If a knowledgeable editor could add it, that would be good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]