Talk:Kali (asura)

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	Kali (asura) was a Philosophy and religion good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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A person from the ip address 70.53.92.79 added this sentence to the Kali (Goddess) page:

"Another manifestation is that of a bloated, woman, with hair like that of a horse, with stench and powers to kill through touch and utterance of certain words of power."

This writer, if you didn't know about real Hinduism don't write anything about this. It seems you totally confused and lunatic mind. Nothing is related with Goddess Kali as you mentioned here. First of all, She is Divine Goddess. Kali is one of the many forms of Shakti. Maha Kaali is the fiercest of all goddesses of Hinduism. The word Kali has its roots in the Sanskrit word "Kaal", which means time. And nothing escapes from time. Goddess Kali is sometimes referred as the goddess of death. But actually Kali brings the death of the ego. Even in the scriptures, she has killed demons but not anyone else. Kali is also not associated with Yama (the Hindu God of Death). Kali is considered a form of mother too. Maa Kali is one of the few Goddesses who are celibate and practice renunciation.

Goddess Kali has four arms and hands depicting her immense strength. In two of her hands, she holds a sword and a fresh severed head, representing a great battle in which she defeated the demon Raktabija. The other two hands are there to bless her true devotees, suggesting that they will be saved as she will guide them here and in the hereafter. Kali wears a garland made of 52 skulls and a skirt made of dismembered arms because the ego comes out of identification with the body. It suggests that physical body is false and spirit is the only reality. Her black or sometimes dark blue skin represents the womb of the unmanifest from which all of creation is born and into which all of creation will ultimately return. Therefore, the concepts of color, light, dark, good or bad do not apply to her as she is the pure, un-manifested energy, the Adishakti. Goddess Kali is seen standing with her one feet on Lord Shiva who is pure formless awareness Sat-Chit-Ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) while Kali represents "form" eternally sustained by the underpinning of pure awareness.

Don't think all Hindus are fool. This is VKumar (talk) 08:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but Kali Goddess The Destroyer Of Evil doesn't have anything to do with this Kali Demon. Maha Kālīka is the destroyer of evil, she's not a demon but mother of humanity. This kali demon is the Satan. Kali is the nemesis of Lord Vishnu. Please don't say anything rude or accuse without proper information. Rana Asuthosh (talk) 10:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This kali demon also has 10 avatars like Vishnu. Haiygreva (Not lord Hayagreeva the Avatar of lord Vishnu), Rahu and ketu, Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu, Vishatha (Gandharva Who waged war Between nations), Ravana and finally Duryodhana. There are other forms but they're not clear but one of his Avatar is a winged serpent (Dragon) which appeared in The beginning of Kali Yuga. Rana Asuthosh (talk) 10:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I originally got the

A. Kali spelled with a long 'a' and Kali with a short 'a' are different Sanskrit words indicating different persons. Kali with a long 'a' is the Goddess wife of Siva, who, as you say, is often worshipped with a view to dissolve one's material ego. Kali spelled with a short 'a' is the personification of the age of quarrel (Kali-yuga). Duryodhana of Mahabharata and Bhagavad-gita fame is considered to be a partial incarnation of Kali, the personification of this degraded age, not Goddess Kali." - ([Bhagavad-gita Leads to Vrndavana)

Hopefully this has cleared things up a bit. So now all I need is the "correct" Sanskrit term for the Kali-Demon.(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 04:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Never mind, my bad. कलि and काली. I can't tell which one has the "long" and "Short" a. Maybe its the one with the shortest loop. I can't read sanskrit. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 05:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

This article on Kalki has been perverted by someone who wants to use it as a commentary on Hindu politics. There is no reasoning provided, only some citations to a book. And the contributor makes claims of "anti-Muslim" and "Hindutva propaganda". This, in an article dealing with a figure from Hindu mythology! Wikipedia has apparently become a public lavatory where anyone with extreme ideological views can come to relieve themselves, as long as they can provide citations to back up their pet prejudices.

Please refrain from deleting large chunks of cited material from the page. You opinion on the matter is duely noted. I am the "someone" who wrote the article. I assure you that I have no agenda or prejudices against Hindus. Kali was used in the pamphlets to denote Muslims. Please tell me how it reflects badly on Hindus? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 14:28, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This section needs to be deleted or properly edited. Just because material is cited does that mean it is factual? Sure, it is in a book somewhere but the material has to be objective? Would you cite Hitler's Mein Kampf on the article on Wikipedia commenting on Jews as an authoritative source? I hope you see my point. Using loaded terminology like "Hindutva propoganda" and "anti-Muslim" shows the ideological predisposition of the author of the section. You may or may not subscribe to the ideology yourself, but at the very least you are complicit in regurgitating and disseminating it. I challenge you to prove that the organizations that you mention are "Hindutva" organizations, whatever that may mean. You depict pictures in the article dating from 1890 and try to link the pamphlets to various riots that may or may not have happened during that time period. You should know that even the term "Hindutva", was not coined at that time. So it is absurd to claim that these groups could be spreading "Hindutva" propaganda at that time.

Also, for someone who wants to contribute to articles on Hinduism you seem amazingly ignorant of the fact that Hindus in general are against cow slaughter. For example just last week there was an issue in Britain where members of the Hare Krishna religion protested vociferously against cow slaughter. Does that make them a part of a "Hindutva" organization? They did it simply because they are Hindus. (Another expression of your "knowledge" of Hinduism is the term 'darmaraj' that you have used in your section. There is nothing of kind in Hinduism. It is 'Dharma-raj' since there is nothing like 'darma' in Hinduism.)

What you described was a campaign against cow slaughter that depicted the slaughterer of cows as Kali. This was a campaign against cow slaughter. How does opposition by Hindus to Muslims slaughtering cows make one anti-Muslim? For example Muslims consider the Quran sacred and if Hindus were to practice burning the Quran and Muslims were to oppose it, would that make them anti-Hindu? Does making a caricature of Muhammad as terrorist make one anti-Muslim? For Muhammad is indeed the prototype and the archetype of all Muslims. Does banning head scarves make a country anti-Muslim? If so both France and Turkey are anti-Muslim nations. In all cases the opposition is to an ideology or certain aspects of it, in this respect Islam, and not to its adherents. Furthermore, you choose to ignore the obvious truth here that the cow-slaughter campaign was targeted at all beef-eaters not just Muslims. Your own translations prove that.

Finally please tell me how is it even material to the discussion here. This is a vast subject and there is a lot of material that can add to the credibility of this page. And you choose to post this insignificant drivel that adds nothing of value but is indeed of questionable origin and intent. It is disgusting to note that even articles on Hinduism are being used to portray Hindus in a poor light. This is exactly the kind of poor content that makes Wikipedia such a questionable source for valid information. Therefore, for the sake of the integrity of Wikipedia itself you need to do us all a favor and delete this section, or, at the very least, reword it to make it less shrill and more factual. Remove references to Hindutva and anti-Muslim etc. And shorten it down to make it more accurately representative of its true place in the scheme of things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Aurovir (talk • contribs)

Again, your opinion is duly noted. If you go back through the edit history, you will see I am not the person who added the "Hindutva" link to the page. Please refrain from uncivil remarks like "ignorant". (see

WP:Civil) And please sign your comments with four tildes. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 15:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Duly noted where? Let's cut through the doublespeak, shall we? What you really mean is duly ignored and dismissed as opinion. Also, there is nothing offensive about the fact that you seem ignorant about basic facts. It just means "you do not know" and does not indicate any kind of inherent deficiency on your part, mental or moral. If you are genuinely interested in the subject you will take this as an opportunity to learn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurovir (talk • contribs) 15:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's duly noted on the current talk page. Again, please see

WP:Civil. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 15:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply

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No problem. Happy to help. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I really appreciate the hard work which has been put into this article. But unfortunately I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to list it as a GA.

• Lead

The lead just mentions Kali in different epics like Vishnu Purana, Kalki Purana and Mahabharata. It doesn't summarize the entire article. As a rule of thumb, I would like to have a detail from each and every section. But there is no mention of Kali's life, death, significance in the lead.

• Description

This section describes Kali but it doesn't have an Image here. The section needs an Image especially so that people can visualize.

• Life

This section looks good from above. But when you read the section, it looks like a story. Example:

The Brahmin Pravara was given a magical ointment that allowed him to fly when he spread it on the bottoms of his feet. But when he flew to the Himalayas and walked around on the mountain snow, the ointment was washed away keeping him from returning home to his wife. During his time on the mountain, the Apsara Varuthini fell madly in love with him and begged the Brahmin to stay with her forever. But he rejected her advances because his guru had told him to never lust after another man’s wife. He prayed to Agni who returned him home safely.

According to Markandeya Purana, The Brahmin Pravara was given a magical ointment that allowed him to fly. But when he flew to the Himalayas, the ointment was washed away keeping him from returning home to his wife. During this time, the Apsara Varuthini fell madly in love with him and begged the Brahmin to stay with her forever. But eventually, he rejected her. He prayed to Agni who returned him home safely.

This list is not exhaustive, I have just tried to give an idea of the sorts of issues that need to be addressed before a successful GA nomination.

• Death

Kali dies one-third of the way through the Kalki Purana->>what do you mean by dies. How is it encyclopedic.
The stench of his blood billowed out and filled the atmosphere with a foul odor.--->peacock terms.
The author comments, "Unlike most battles between gods and demons, however, this apparent victory is immediately undercut, for Kali escapes to reappear in 'another age'—in our age, or the next Kali Age."-->>Who is this expert author
Since he had the power to manifest himself in human form on earth, he was able to forsake his dying corporal form to escape in spirit.--->>Why do you require tems such as dying corporal here. Can't you make it simple.

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for criteria)

"According to the Vishnu Purana, he is a negative manifestation of Vishnu, who along with his extended evil family, perpetually operates
as a cause of the destruction of this world."