Talk:Kang the Conqueror

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This page is filled with poor grammar. A competent writer should really take some time to clean it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.149.12 (talk) 02:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Different entities

Immortus, Scarlet Centurion, and Iron Lad are all different entities. They may all be Kang from different parts of time, but its not the same as something like Victor Timely, an alias Kang once used. --DrBat 01:27, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Iron Lad and Immortus

Do

Rama-Tut
re-direct to Kang, Immortus or Iron Lad... or should Scarlet Centurion get his own entry (as Kang's son, rather than just an alias of Kang's)?

Yes, and here's why.

Given Kang, Immortus and Iron Lad separate entries is like giving Marvel Girl, Phoenix and Jean Grey separate entities. All are names used by one character over that character's published career (not counting alternate futures or realities, and but that's another discussion).

As established, there is only one Kang left in the timeline (he absorbed or killed all others), Kang does become Immortus (seen in Avengers Forever) and Iron Lad is the younger version of Kang (this is confirmed in Young Avengers - Iron Lad clearly grows up to become the Avengers menace we all love to loath). Additionally, he spent several years as Rama-Tut, probably trying to be a "good guy" based on his Iron Lad period, before turning "evil" as Scarlet Centurion, then as Kang (now there's a story begging to be told!).

Now, I hear some people say, "they are separate characters," or point to the fact that they fight each other and would rather be considered as individual characters... well that's just because Kang is a time-traveler. Moving forward in time normally with the Avengers as we readers do (albeit at a faster pace than the Avengers), it can be hard for us to view this man as anything other than separate individuals, but the fact is, they are all the same person, and follow a direct linear path from his point of view. Just because we first meet an adult Kang, then a slightly younger Scarlet Centurion and much older Immortus and much younger Rama-Tut and years later a much younger Iron Lad, does not negate the fact that this is one person. Just because he had different identities and personalities at points in his apparently very long life, does not mean those names are "aliases" anymore than Nomad and The Captain are simply aliases of Captain America - those were clearly defined periods of the character's life.

Now, this might make for a long, convoluted Wikipedia entry.... but it's not like those don't already exist. I would suggest approaching the entry in two ways: first, summing up his publishing history in the order in which it was published (perhaps a paragraph describing his first appearance and summing up the first appearances of alternate versions in a few sentences), then as a full-blown "this is your life" type article, chronicling Kang's life from his perspective. Starting with Reed's father, then Iron Lad, then Rama-Tut and so forth.

Scarlet Centurion should be a separate article about Kang's son, with only a mention of Kang's time as the Centurion used in the main Kang article.

My two cents. - Kevingarcia 06:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Immortus, Scarlet Centurion, and Iron Lad are all different entities. They may all be Kang from different parts of time, but its not the same as something like Victor Timely, an alias Kang once used. And it'll get too complicated. Just leave it be. --DrBat 02:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Kang does not become Immortus. In
Scarlet Centurion (I)) should be merged. Kang's sons are separate characters and should remain separate.--StAkAr Karnak 11:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply
]
I'll grant you that, but from Immortus perspective, he was once Kang, before that he was Scarlet Centurion, before that Rama-Tut, before that Iron Lad. These were just aliases like Victor Timely, no, but they were phases in his life. Why not include them all in the Kang bio with short discriptive paragraphs and links to "main article on Iron Lad" or "main article on Rama-Tut"? Just my suggestion there. - Kevingarcia 05:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Being the founder of the Young Avengers, Iron Lad is important enough to keep his own article. --DrBat 01:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


They are all the same person so I they should be merged. jokauff 21:38 7 June, 2006 (UTC)

i strongly disagree to this move, i also think that scarlet centurian should be givern his own page. we crate a page for nathanian richards as a top page with brief introductions to each other his divergent personlities. with links to each of his divergent personalities. i understand that universe x is not marvel 616 cannon however perhaps we could use the explination of richards divergent personlaties in a theorys and academic littery theories on the charcter--Dr noire 22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. Section. If sections get too big, unmerge. Main page should possibly be Franklin Richards given so many pseudonyms have been used.ZayZayEM (talk) 10:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge; putting all of them on the same page would be too bulky and complicated. Despite technically being the same person, they are often treated as distinct characters. I like the idea of having brief sections summarizing the different incarnations on this page, though. Namenamenamenamename (talk) 20:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, merging Iron Lad might be a good idea. His article is pretty short. Namenamenamenamename (talk) 12:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Iron Lad

Reading Young Avengers, it is clear that Iron Lad was created to function as Kang, and not an independent character. These are the same character and should be merged. Iron Lad has neither the publication history to reflect notability independent of Kang or any other media context independent of the Conquorer. Merge the two. -Sharp962 (talk) 19:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Do you suggest something akin to Vision of the Young Avengers? I would move for a redirect of "Iron Lad" to that section, if created. Clearly the character has separate actions and impacts on the Marvel Universe outside of his function as Kang.Luminum (talk) 19:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although, I am not a fan of the "Modern Age" header, as clearly the characterization of Iron Lad and Kang has been intermingled since its inception and across ages; I think you have a great suggestion and such a redirect would be the foundation of a good merger. -Sharp962 (talk) 23:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Strongly Agree to Merge with
Scarlet Centurion, Strongly Disagree to Merge with Iron Lad

+ while

Scarlet Centurion
are both used as mere aliases by the mainstream Kang in his time-travels, so merge as already done is strongly recommended, + :I Strongly Disagree to Merge with Iron Lad, Iron Lad is a different entity in an alternate Earth(-689?) of a different Marvel universe timeline, it is an instance of what Nathaniel Richards would have become through his own time-travel intervention on his own past, Iron Lad even organized the Young Avengers, with the sole purpose of defeating his future self (Kang) and reshaping his own future; + :this has already been cited by Luminum and DrBat last July 2009 and April 2006, respectively + :-
talk • contribs) 05:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply
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(note: the comment above was editted and incorporated into current discussion following move and recontexting of thread by above user. -Sharp962 (talk) 15:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC).)[reply]


The Rama-Tut/Centurion discussion is long since closed with a merger completed. The Iron Lad discussion is a new one, and a revert was complete (with incorporation of the comments to reflect that). Iron Lad is a fictional character, and the organization of the Young Avengers and "beatinghis future self" does not negate the real world use of the character as a thematic device of the character Kang, evidenced since the character's inception. There is no Iron Lad series or spin-off, there is only a character that was introduced as Kang in Young Avengers #1. Plot twists are not evidence. -Sharp962 (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Disagree since it is another timeline, a separate story that someone just came up with and the fact that no one has cared in about two years.Bofum (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Agree. His page is pretty short and he doesn't seem to be super notable. Namenamenamenamename (talk) 12:43, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other media citations

How can a citation be included with the other media appearances? If someone is to watch the episode and get visual confirmation, wouldn't that be enough? --RedKnight (talk) 12:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In related news. I am going to delete the two Songs listed since there is nothing to reference this Kang from the alien in the Simpsons or any Klingon with that name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bofum (talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cite the episode. If the exact specific episode/series is mentioned in text, it doesn't really need an in-line citation, but I think Wiki is moving towards more in-lines.ZayZayEM (talk) 10:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MCU appearances

As I said before, technically this Wikipedia page is mainly focused on Kang, not on his variants (or temporal selves). I do believe we should only add all the Kang's MCU appearances, removing Loki’s He Who Remains or Quantumania’s Rama-Tut. Johnf69 (talk) 11:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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