Talk:Kasbah
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road of 1000 kasbahs
perhaps useful to mention:
- http://www.visitmorocco.com/index.php/eng/content/view/full/249
- http://www.rogermimo.com/fr.route.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.242.17.51 (talk) 13:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Merger
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Merger proposal
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result was: no objections to merger, merger performed. R Prazeres (talk) 19:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Propose merging
There is no significant conceptual difference between a citadel in Spain and a citadel in North Africa; in fact they're very closely related during the Islamic period, which is the main period concerned here. All scholarly sources I've seen that cover Islamic/Moorish fortifications and palaces in the region do not make any distinction between a "kasbah/qasba" and an "alcazaba", none of them suggest any conceptual difference between those in Spain versus those in North Africa, and they all relate the terms back to the Arabic word al-qasaba (for examples, see Bloom, Barrucand, Zozaya, and Arnold references on this page again, among others).
PS: Whether the name of this article (Kasbah) should also be changed to something more geographically/linguistically neutral, like "Qasaba", I leave to a future discussion. My concern is more about deciding whether or not to have it on one page. Likewise, I'm aware that this article (Kasbah) also strays into dictionary territory with its later sections; this is a common problem and could be addressed in the future too if needed. R Prazeres (talk) 05:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- There has been no objections so far, so per WP:MERGECLOSE enough time has passed to proceed with the merger. I'll do so in the next few days if there is still no further comment. R Prazeres (talk) 06:10, 4 March 2022 (UTC)]
"Rock the Casbah" song
Regarding this addition, I don't think it's appropriate here. I've reverted it for now but I'd be happy to hear from multiple editors. It's a thought that came to my mind too before this, so it's worth bringing up here. The song is famous but it's not relevant to the topic of historical fortresses, and I have a hard time seeing how to integrate this into the article. Pop culture trivia content is a tricky issue (see
One way of thinking about it is that an equivalent reliable published source about kasbahs or fortifications would not include a paragraph about this song. The actual lyrics of the song also don't refer to this type of fortress (if anything it sounds inspired by the
Instead, I think it makes sense to just keep the link to the song article in the "See also" section, as it was, but maybe also had a quick note to it. That section is meant for connections to tangential topics, per
- I agree with you: it's very difficult to justify the mention of the song with just its use of the word. --Jotamar (talk) 11:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Dictionary-style section
I created the "Other uses of the term" section a while back (here) in order to provisionally organize already existing material in the article which was not part of the main topic. However, in the long term this section is maybe not appropriate for Wikipedia, as it acts like a dictionary-style entry describing various meanings of the word (i.e. qasaba/kasbah), rather than describing different aspects of the topic (i.e. fortresses/citadels). See
Thoughts and suggestions welcome. R Prazeres (talk) 18:25, 5 December 2022 (UTC)