Talk:Leto II Atreides

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Having some trouble getting the info box to stay at the top of the page89.240.98.193 12:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I fixed the template. TAnthony 17:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some assumptions I think are mistaken, but somebody can confirm :

- Inside the first no-chamber, the Ixians grow their next attempt: Malky's niece, Hwi Noree : If I'm right, the first no-chamber is the one Leto uses to record his memories, the one found in Dar-es-Balat later. The no-chamber/no-room used to raise Hwi is an improvement of the no-chamber given to Leto by the Ixians.

- Siona is the second human to carry a gene that makes her invisible to prescience and thus uncontainable by it, the first being the Count Hasimir Fenring, from the novel Dune. : Not sure of that, since it is revealed in Dune Messiah that any individual gifted with prescience is invisible to other oracles (like guild steermen, since one of them is used to hide the Bene Gesserit/Space Guild/Bene Tleilax plot against him). Leto's aim seems to be ensuring the recurrence of this characteristic in humankind while suppressing its corollary, (conscious?) prescience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.169.9.14 (talk) 09:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Another mistake: However, Leto's absence from the prescient visions of his father, Paul Muad'dib, in Dune Messiah imply that Leto himself may also have possessed this quality to some degree. It's not Leto the one absent from Paul's visions; it's Ghanima. Remember that Paul himself gets surprised by the fact that Chani has twins, since the only baby he sees in his visions is a male. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.40.192.14 (talk) 18:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just read the books and it says Paul vision contained only a daughter, so it was Leto who was absent from Paul's sight, and that was imply to be due to his presence. Even in Children of Dune, Paul's plan seem to be to have Ghanima marry Faradn, without considering Leto being alive, and having his own plan, which clearly show's he remained absent of Paul's vision, so I'm changing the page ---God Empero Leto II

"Siona is different from Fenring in that she can pass on this gene to her descendants, whereas Fenring was a genetic eunuch. However, Ghanima's (Leto's sister) absence from the prescient visions of his father, Paul Muad'dib, in Dune Messiah imply that Ghanima may also have possessed this quality to some degree."

I'm not sure this signifies that Ghanima possessed that quality at all. Remember from "Dune Messiah" that one Prophet cannot see where another Prophet is; how conspirators used the presence of a Guild navigator to shield their plots from Paul. Leto II had prescient abilities before birth; witness how he recognized the necessity to share his vision with his father in order to circumvent his and his sister's assassination at the blade of Scytale. Upon seeing twins instead of a single child, Paul became fully blind, unable to see anything in the immediate presence of an infant Prophet. By contrast, Siona was one who was capable of fading from the prescient view in spite of not being a Prophet herself.

24.78.196.175 (talk) 18:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe these articles should be renamed so that the house comes last, rather than the ordinal. For example, the current monarch of the UK (though this style is rarely, if ever, used) is "Elizabeth II Windsor", not "Elizabeth Windsor II". Hence, this article, and the text within it and about it, should reflect "Leto II Atreides", and not "Leto Atreides II". Frank Herbert himself never referred to this person as "Leto Atreides II", but typically "Leto" or "Leto II". Likewise, his paternal grandfather was typically referred to as "Leto", not "Leto Atreides I". If Brian Herbert or Kevin Anderson do use "Leto Atreides II", I submit it is due to incompetence. --70.131.247.129 (talk) 23:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Amen to your last. 199.2.126.189 (talk) 05:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.40.192.14 (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed this parenthetical explanation of the meaning of Sareer from the second paragraph of the God Emperor of Dune section until it can be checked:

(

Arabic

for "throne")

Before someone edited the above, it read "bed" instead of "throne". --SandChigger (talk) 01:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Leto atreides ii and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 8#Leto atreides ii until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:09, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reading through the Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune sections it feels rather prosaically and therefore improper for Wikipedia, like this section: "Since he has absolute control of the spice on which the whole universe depends, he has the universe in the palm of his hand, and ruthlessly enforces his simplistic order."

As the sections are synopsis, it shouldn't be filled with literary fluff. Or I dunno maybe I'm wrong. Ferbabdass (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]