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I'm reviewing IUCN and ASM's MDD for subspecies listings. Here are some discrepancies between what I'm finding in IUCN and what's in this list, with additional notes from ASM where different. I take it the other secondary sources disagree on these.
Cercopithecus mitis (I note here that 3 of these were species articles that I've updated to be subspecies)
Chlorocebus pygerythrus (If anyone ever questions my monkey nerd credentials, I show them my sugar skull tattoo of this species)
Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. hilgerti
Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. nesiotes
Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. pygerythrus
Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. rufoviridis
Chlorocebus pygerythrus ssp. zavattarii
Erythrocebus patas
Erythrocebus patas ssp. patas
Erythrocebus patas ssp. pyrrhonotus
Erythrocebus patas ssp. villiersi
Lophocebus aterrimus (ASM lists both as species)
Lophocebus aterrimus ssp. aterrimus
Lophocebus aterrimus ssp. opdenboschi (demote from species)
Lophocebus albigena (ASM lists all as species)
Lophocebus albigena ssp. albigena
Lophocebus albigena ssp. johnstoni
Lophocebus albigena ssp. osmani
Lophocebus albigena ssp. ugandae
Macaca radiata
Macaca radiata ssp. diluta
Macaca radiata ssp. radiata
Macaca fascicularis (several spelling differences that ASM disagrees with)
Macaca fascicularis ssp. atriceps
Macaca fascicularis ssp. aurea
Macaca fascicularis ssp. condorensis
Macaca fascicularis ssp. fascicularis
Macaca fascicularis ssp. fusca
Macaca fascicularis ssp. karimondjawae
Macaca fascicularis ssp. lasiae
Macaca fascicularis ssp. philippensis (discarded)
Macaca fascicularis ssp. tua
Macaca fascicularis ssp. umbrosa
That's as far as I'm able to get today.... I'll look at the remaining genera tomorrow. - UtherSRG(talk) 19:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Colobus angolensis
Colobus angolensis ssp. angolensis
Colobus angolensis ssp. cordieri
Colobus angolensis ssp. cottoni
Colobus angolensis ssp. nov.
Colobus angolensis ssp. palliatus
Colobus angolensis ssp. prigoginei
Colobus angolensis ssp. ruwenzorii
Colobus angolensis ssp. sharpei
Colobus guereza
Colobus guereza ssp. dodingae
Colobus guereza ssp. gallarum
Colobus guereza ssp. guereza
Colobus guereza ssp. kikuyuensis
Colobus guereza ssp. matschiei
Colobus guereza ssp. occidentalis
Colobus guereza ssp. percivali
Piliocolobus foai
No listed subspecies in IUCN. ellioti is a synonym for semlikiensis in IUCN. ASM has it under oustaletti with the note: likely a hybrid swarm between P. oustaleti, P. langi, and P. semlikiensis.
IUCN and ASM have Piliocolobus parmentieri as a species.
Presbytis hosei
IUCN has both subspecies marked as "discarded"
Semnopithecus hypoleucos
Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. achates
Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. hypoleucos
Semnopithecus hypoleucos ssp. iulus
Semnopithecus priam
Semnopithecus priam ssp. anchises (IUCN has this, but ASM puts it in hypoleucos above)
Semnopithecus priam ssp. priam
Semnopithecus priam ssp. thersites
Simias concolor
Simias concolor ssp. concolor
Simias concolor ssp. siberu
Trachypithecus pileatus
Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. brahma
Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. durga (discarded)
Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. pileatus
Trachypithecus pileatus ssp. tenebricus
Trachypithecus geei
IUCN says subspecies as bhutanensis was not described per ICZN. (listed as nomen nudem in ASM)
Trachypithecus germaini
IUCN says no subspecies. It doesn't mention caudalis at all. ASM has it here.
Trachypithecus ebenus
IUCN lumps with Trachypithecus hatinhensis, ASM lists them separately.
@UtherSRG: Right now, subspecies in the list are just whatever was in MSW3 (minus subspecies being promoted to species), so this needs to get into the list at some point. --PresN 19:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: Thanks again for the work you've done on this and other lists. I'm again back at incorporating the various tables into their genus articles. I see that the list has 3 species for Lophocebus even though IUCN only recognizes 2 (and ASM recognizes all of the listed subspecies as species). I think we should collapse opdenboschi into atterminus so that we have only the two species. What do you think? - UtherSRG(talk) 16:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, it's here because MSW has it ([1]), and since ASM retains it IUCN dropping it doesn't wipe that out. I think you're right, though, ASM has 3 other species IUCN doesn't recognize and if I'm remembering the last conversation we had about this right, for primates MSW should be considered a bit less. --PresN 17:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
