Talk:List of off-season Atlantic hurricanes

This article is rated FL-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Lists This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale. Weather: Tropical Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Weather, which collaborates on weather and related subjects on Wikipedia. To participate, help improve this article or visit the project page for details. Articles Requested Project Resources Become a Member Project Talk Assessment A-Class Alerts WeatherWikipedia:WikiProject WeatherTemplate:WikiProject WeatherWeather articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by WikiProject Tropical cyclones (assessed as Mid-importance).

Tip: Anchors are case-sensitive in most browsers. This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist. [[1974 Atlantic hurricane season#Tropical Depression|#3]] The anchor (#Tropical Depression) has been deleted by other users before. Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. | Reporting errors

Make sure every off-season storm is listed, and perhaps include some (minor) info on November storms lasting into December. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think Arthur (2008) would count, no? Is the article meant to include off season TDs as well, or no? That Alice paper has information on another one or two out of season systems as well, if memory serves, northeast of Puerto Rico. The two it references have been written up for the

Atlantic hurricane reanalysis for 1951. Oh yes, as of last check, that paper's author is still around, and happy that one or both will be included. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply

]

Yes, Arthur would count. The page was worked on in January of this year, and as a result failed to include Arthur. However, I do not think those other storms not in HURDAT should be included. I think it is just easier keeping the page limited to storms within HURDAT, and so I clarified at the top of the article of the scope of the article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this should be renamed to

There is a general agreement within WPTC that the term "hurricane" can, in terms of article names, be used to encompass all tropical cyclones. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 20:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

K. That's cool. Still seems kinda wierd.-

OnBrains 20:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply

]

Actually, there's a discussion regarding similar matters here. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 20:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I redid the article, hope it's fine and ready for ga. does the name still need to be changed? —Preceding

I noticed a comment was made that timelines were needed for the article, but I'm not sure how they should be implemented. Any thoughts? Hurricanehink (talk) 15:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for bringing this up now that it just became featured, but should we include storms before 1851? This link lists an additional five May storms and a December storm. The main problem is that they aren't official storms, as they weren't approved by HURDAT. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have any suggestions how to address pre-1851 storms? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add them in, during the last year there has been some rumours of it going back pre 1851.Jason Rees (talk) 17:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add them in without any caveats? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it's done. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:34, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just had a quick look at the metadata for the reanalysis of HURDAT and it appears that several tropical depressions are missing from this list. Albeit they're minor systems, since they're included already in the article, they must be added in. Additionally, I have a concern about the definition of off-season. From what I can tell through the listed storms, you're defining off-season as December-May. However, there have been changes to the definition of a season over the years and there are storms that existed solely in November that would be called off-season for the year they were in, such as Hurricane Seven of 1912. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's basing it off the current season, yea. If you went by what the season originally was, then any year without a season would've been off-season :P ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're picking and choosing information then. For years that have defined seasons, whether it ends October 31st or November 30th, storms outside those bounds qualify as off-season storms. With years that don't have defined seasons, there technically can't be any off-seasons storms since there was no season for them to be out of. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a defined hurricane season as far back as 1888. "It is one of the kind common to the "hurricane season." -which lasts from July to October and is most productive of rains in the month of August. ... " -The Sun (September 17, 1888). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:46, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As early as 1934, hurricane season was defined as June 1-November 15 (New York Times, 1934); however, by 1960 the season was shifted to June 15-November 30 (Hartford Courant, 1960) and by 1967, it reached our current dates of June 1-November 30 (St. Petersburg Times, 1967). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But the whole point of this article is to highlight how unusual the storms are that form outside of the hurricane season. June and November storms are considered commonplace now. It's not really picking and choosing information, just streamlining what's in this article. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was wanting to know if we should list some cyclones that would be listed as off-season according to the original season dates. For example, hurricane season in 1958 started on June 15, but Tropical Storm Alma formed on June 14, which would be considered off-season at that time. What I am asking is, should list tropical cyclones like Alma? I also just found some other examples, like Tropical Storm One in 1956 and 1957. But then it would bring up the question as how we would judge a tropical as in-season or off-season before the season dates were officially established (e.g. should Tropical Storm Three of 1887 formed on June 11, should it be considered off-season?). In addition, should we also include tropical cyclone that formed November 15 to be off-season, except those 1965 (the year that the season dates switch to June 1-November 30) or later? (e.g. Tropical Storm Ten of 1954)--12george1 (talk) 20:33, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be based off the current season. If, in the future, the NHC makes the season go til December 15th, then all of those storms would have to be removed. Plus, with technology we're finding more and more storms. It would be rather confusing if a retroactively classified storm was out of season had it been known to exist then (this is an example). The original season, being from June 15 to October 31, was based around when storms were thought to be common. Once it became evident that storms were common from 6/1 to 11/30, they extended it. I don't think those storms that were once considered off-season should get special mention here. Perhaps in their season articles, however. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]