Talk:List of premiers of Newfoundland and Labrador

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I edited this page to make the usage more correct. As per Neary's Politics in Newfoundland (pub. 1971), the usage from 1861 onwards was usually Prime Minister and sometimes Premier but after 1907, the Premier usage was dropped mainly as a result of Bond's nationalistic policy. This is the main reason I placed Bond as the first Dominion Prime Minister, he was the driving force to get Newfoundland recognized as a Dominion.

  • Someone had entered some incorrect and rather confusing links to Prince Edward Island, which I have removed. Some clarification might be in order regarding the federal Progressive Conservative party and the provincial Conservative party, but I'll leave that to someone more up on that. --
    Dalejarvis 17:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply
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In the UK the term "Premier" was often used as an interchangeable alternative with "Prime Minister" - we still call a PM's period in office their "premiership" - and when colonies were granted responsible government in the 19th century this mixed usage was often duplicated for the chief ministers. However when Canada federated in 1867 it adopted the English language convention that the "Prime Minister" heads the federal government and the "Premier" heads the provincial government. Australia adopted the same convention when federating in 1901. When New Zealand was granted Dominion status in 1907 it standardised on "Prime Minister", presumably to emphasis that the post was equivalent to the PM of Canada or Australia and not the Premier of Ontario or New South Wales.

Was Newfoundland more explicit about the post's title before 1907 than other colonies? Or is the use of "Premier" a retroactive distinction? Timrollpickering (talk) 14:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Dunderdale

Party leadership and being premier technically don't have anything to do with each other. The Lieutenant Governor can choose whoever he likes to be premier, Kathy Dunderdale was sworn in as premier just like anyone else was. She wasn't re-sworn in after becoming the official leader of the Progressive Conservatives, because the two have nothing to do with each other. She was designated on December 3, 2010, and nothing has changed since. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk)

You are correct, Dunderdale was designated as Premier, and sworn in, on December 3, 2010, and it hasn't changed since. However, a new Premier is normally designated as the new leader of the reigning party, and normally the outgoing leader provides time for this process to happen, before resigning. In the case of William's resignation, it was immediate, and his deputy leader was named to be the interim Premier, until the party could select a leader. Had Dunderdale not run in, or win the leadership election, the 11th Premier would have been sworn in in April 2011. This designation should be listed on this list as all past have been. This event also happened in 1858, 1878, 1895, 1923, 1928, 1979, 1989, 1996, 2000, and 2001, did it not? 117Avenue (talk) 00:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Dunderdale would have resigned as premier had she been contested for the nomination, at which point another premier would have been sworn in. People refer to them as interim premiers but the fact is there is no such thing as an interim premier. She was an interim party leader because she had not been sworn in till April 2, but she was sworn in as premier. Had Dunderdale not run in the leadership election she was still designated premier the same as Williams was designated premier, and all the other premiers before him. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, Dunderdale was not designated premier the same way Williams was. Williams was elected the leader of his party, while Dunderdale became premier until the party could choose a leader. Granted there may be no such term as "Interim Premier", but on December 3, 2010, Dunderdale only became premier for the temporary time until the party could hold their leadership election. Why would you only link the leadership election if Dunderdale lost? There was a time that it was thought she wouldn't even run. She had to win that leadership election to remain premier longer than the time the party's constitution allows for an interim leader. Every other designation is mentioned on this list, this one shouldn't be any different. 117Avenue (talk) 04:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
John Crosbie didn't say anything different when he swore Kathy Dunderdale in then Ed Roberts said when he sworn Danny Williams in, with the exception of their names. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, she was sworn in just the same as any other premier, that's why she wasn't an "Interim Premier". What's your point? That doesn't negate the fact the premier must be the leader of the party holding the support of the assembly, and that party requires an election to select its leader after a resignation. 117Avenue (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The premier doesn't need to be the leader of any party, they just need to be a person who can hold the confidence of the House of Assembly. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 01:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't answered the question, why would you only link the leadership election if Dunderdale lost? Everything affecting the premiership is listed on this list, and Dunderdale needed to win the party leadership election to remain premier. I think it is as simple as that. 117Avenue (talk) 04:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead and do whatever you like I don't care. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 09:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Un-elected" Premiers

Seeing that changes have been made to Dunderdale they should also be made for; Smallwood, Peckford, Rideout, Tobin, Tulk and Grimes. Seeing they were sworn in as premiers before winning elections, dates should be added for when they were sworn in as leader and premier, and who chose them. It's also incorrect that Dunderdale was chosen by Williams seeing it was a caucus decision and he only had one vote, and technically her leadership was not ratified by party members so that should probably be changed and it should also be noted when she was acclaimed leader of the PC Party if we are going to bring leadership of a party into premiership. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 11:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Like I have said twice in the edit summary[1][2], except for the November 26 and December 3, 2010, dates, nothing is referenced on this page. Do you have a source verifying when these premiers were sworn in? The November 26 source says that "Williams said ... that Deputy Premier Kathy Dunderdale will take over as acting premier", do you have a more reliable source saying that Williams did not choose her? 117Avenue (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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