Talk:List of programs broadcast by Freeform

List of programs broadcast by Freeform → List of Freeform original programming – per Talk:List of HBO original programming#Requested move 13 June 2020. St3095 ^(?) 14:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per previous discussion. --Gonnym (talk) 19:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – I'm not inclined to support this move if it means that something like
  WP:SCOPEs changed such that what you might call "original acquisitions" can no longer be listed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support per previous discussion. --
  Wikipedical (talk) 16:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Relisting comment This discussion leaves unaddressed questions that should be discussed here before any move of this page. 1) Would this change the scope of the list? and 2) If yes, is there a consensus for that? Pinging previous participants: @
  Wikipedical. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • To answer your question, it would change, and I'm in support of it. To address IJBall's concern, according to
    Fox Family Channel which means it is a valid entry at List of programs broadcast by Freeform#Fox Family era (1998–2001), which it is placed. --Gonnym (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • And I stand by what I said – if moving these means that what I would call "original acquisitions" are deemed "out-of-scope" then I oppose the moves and oppose the changes in
      WP:SCOPE. P.S. And, no, I don't think it does address my point about Higher Ground (TV series) – while it did air on Fox Family, I don't believe it was a "Fox Family original series" (it certainly wasn't "branded" as such, IIRC). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • I would be fine if syndicated information is removed entirely. All unsourced and not particularly notable. --
        Wikipedical (talk) 18:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
        ]
        • That's not even remotely what we're talking about. Sci-Fi/Syfy is a good example of what I mean – they've broadcast a number of "original acquisitions" (sometimes co-productions, sometimes not) which were not branded as "Sci-Fi/Syfy original series". Those should all still be listed. So, I'll reiterate again – if moving these lists means shows like Higher Ground are no longer listed, I flat up oppose the move/change. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • You are not really listening to the answers you got. Again, the article Higher Ground says it first aired on Fox Family, which means it belongs in original programming. If you have an issue with a different example, then give it, don't beat around the bush. --Gonnym (talk) 19:56, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • And you're not listening – it wasn't branded as a "Fox Family original" AFAICT. Changing the title of the list as proposed implies it wouldn't be covered. And, again, all of these cable TV nets have similar programs that were not branded as "[channel] originals" (often because they were acquisitions from other countries, or because they aired simultaneously in another country aside from the U.S.) but should still be listed. I'm going to oppose these moves until somebody explains how these programs will continue to be included (and how) if the
              WP:SCOPEs are changed with the title change. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
              ]
              • The scope does not care for marketing. It's literally, where did the series air on first, aka "original programming" and not syndicated or 2nd run. See Category:Fox Family Channel original programming. --Gonnym (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                • That's not what "original programming" means – "originally programming" means literally "network who paid for it", not "where it first aired". That's why the wording matters – where a show "first aired" doesn't always correlate with who's producing or paying for it. IOW, the situation is not nearly as "simple" as you're portraying. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • Also, you are free to oppose and not listen as much as you want. You can stop repeating that. As it stands, 3 different editors disagree with you. --Gonnym (talk) 20:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Mdaniels5757- my answer are: 1) yes, the channel will be moved; 2) there's a consensus (or not), but it usually has many original programs. St3095 ^(?) 02:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. I oppose changing the scope of these list pages to remove the non-original programming, as it has been a significant part of the channel's programming (as if we are censoring this historical record on a part of their programming). This is especially true when Freeform (TV channel) § Programming currently begins by saying that Freeform "offers a slate of mostly reruns of contemporary comedy series and animated sitcom series". Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]