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People, please try to source and have some links to references when possible.

Real Estate Links in Article?

The links to University Commons, University Station, GoTopIlsen.com, and Podmajersky in the External links section are nothing more than direct links to property management firms and developers with very little specific information about the Lower West Side. Such obviously commercial and for-profit material probably doesn't have much of a place here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.12.131 (talk) 04:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows the Real Estate Ads always come back but not by the writer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.241 (talk) 03:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The neutrality of this article

There are several instances where the author has made comments that clearly favor the side of developers versus those of many Pilsen residents. In the Today section-- "Some local advocacy groups have formed urging the neighborhood's Alderman to curtail "gentrification" ie:reinvestmet to preserve the Mexican-American cultural and demographic dominance in a time capsule" and the unfounded "as can be expected, many renters in Pilsen are fearful of increased rents and the displacement this may cause though studies clearly show that tenants typically pay more to stay in improving areas they formerly fled from". Podmajersky also makes an appearance in the links for no apparent reason other than this company has been buying much property in Pilsen due to its changing "hip" status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saucepacket (talk • contribs) 07:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main writer has never put Podmajersky in the links but you may not realize that Podmajersky hasn't bought any significant property in years. His holdings were bought decades ago from those who were "moving out" on the cheap. As for gentrification, I have referenced two studies that clearly support my views, your's may vary. I may favor a viewpoint you don't share but as a Pilsen resident for several decades my views are shared by other residents of long term tenancy and supported by fact. I don't favor "developers" but you are correct that I do favor those who, like myself, are Pilsen Homeowners and favor reinvestment after several decades of disinvestment. Until recently it seemed they only cleaned our streets before the marathon. Bringing up Podmajersky in the manner you did makes me think that you are not aware of the historical parallel between his purchasing during the time of ethnic change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.241 (talk) 03:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing problems

This article has been a mess for a long time. The "Today" section has never met Wikipedia standards for tone or neutrality. It reads like a real estate advert and I suspect that's exactly what it is meant to be. Why else would there be this continual sprouting of links to various firms and developers? Tearing down and rebuilding the entire section would be a good start, but I suspect that the same problem people will simply undo the whole thing within a matter of days. At least the disgusting "anti-Mexican" junk has been eliminated (for now). Omhseoj (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "gentrification studies" bit has absolutely nothing to do with Pilsen; it also lacks citations so I believe it can be removed. Also agree on the links to developers, unless there is a developer I am not aware of that is specific to the neighborhoods on the Lower West Side. Alf is hilarious (talk) 02:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the "anti" Mexican junk that has been eliminated, I reviewed the history of the page and cannot find any that was removed. None has existed to my knowledge. As for developer links they never came from me. Those irritating realtor links pop up as quick as people edit them out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.68.241 (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On References

The new additions to the bibliography are helpful, but the article needs citations. It is chock-full on unsourced statements- just as an example, if the ethnic population of Mexico is broken down by percentages, that is a statement that needs a source (after all, it was obviously pulled from someplace). Omhseoj (talk) 05:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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to migrate here

Gentrification

Resistance to gentrification is a HUGE part of life in Pilsen that I think should have its own section. I'll be compiling sources to return to this. http://www.vivala.com/chicago/gentrification-pilsen-chicago-mexican-american/417 http://www.gazettechicago.com/index/2015/12/longtime-pilsen-residents-worry-about-rising-rents-gentrification-and-future/ http://www.timeout.com/chicago/pilsen/pilsen-gentrification http://news.aag.org/2015/03/pilsen-the-gentrification-frontier/ http://sjnnchicago.org/pilsen-gentrification-and-the-disappearance-of-taverns/ http://www.thepilsenalliance.org/ https://medium.com/religion-ethnicity-and-race-in-chicago-neighborhoo/from-working-class-to-hipsterland-gentrification-in-pilsen-1b527d5c81d#.sk1lq349a

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1.) Anderson, Matthew B., and Carolina Sternberg. 2013. "“Non-White” Gentrification in Chicago’s Bronzeville and Pilsen: Racial Economy and the Intraurban Contingency of Urban Redevelopment." Urban Affairs Review 49, no. 3: 435. MasterFILE Premier, EBSCOhost (accessed October 4, 2017).

2.) Betancur, John, Youngjun Kim. “The Trajectory and Impact of Ongoing Gentrification in Pilsen.” Natalie P. Voorhees Center, (Accessed Oct. 6, 2017): 1-72. PDF https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/992726_c04d492b373541cdbbec88c1223d1245.pdf

3.) Fernández, Lilia. 2005. "From the Near West Side to 18th Street: Mexican Community Formation and Activism in Mid-Twentieth Century Chicago." Journal of The Illinois State Historical Society 98, no. 3: 162-183. America: History & Life, EBSCOhost (accessed October 4, 2017).

4.) Wight, Ellen. Making "Mexican-ness" in Pilsen: Perspectives on the Meaning of Cultural Production in City Space. Washington DC: Conference Papers -- American Sociological Association, 2006. 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jovi KB (talk • contribs) 21:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jovi KB (talk) 18:59, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Plans for Improvement

I plan to improve this article in many ways. First, some of the information has not been properly cited. This is even stated at the top of the article. This is unacceptable and can be misleading. I will try to find a source to back up the statements or delete the passages/sentences that do not have correct citation. Next, the article discusses the idea of transforming the neighborhood by revitalizing it but does not state how this leads to gentrification. I believe this shows a bias and only one view point. I plan to use my sources and provide an entire section dedicated to gentrification using statistics from census records, economic records, residents rent records, etc. My main source of information will be coming from, Betancur, John, Youngjun Kim. “The Trajectory and Impact of Ongoing Gentrification in Pilsen.” Natalie P. Voorhees Center, (Accessed Oct. 6, 2017): 1-72. PDF https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/992726_c04d492b373541cdbbec88c1223d1245.pdf I also see that the article does not mention Pilsen's strong Mexican history in art and activism in the community. I plan to add a section that includes images of the art work as well as background information from the source,"Pilsen Murals Blend Art and Activism." WTTW. Accessed October 6, 2017. http://interactive.wttw.com/my-neighborhood/pilsen/art-as-activism. This source includes murals from the 1970s-present day that center around Mexican culture and prominent figures.



18:58, 24 October 2017 (UTC)Jovi KB ([[User talk:Jovi KB|talk])

Peer Review of Improvements

I think the section in this Talk Page about improvements to be made is effective and descriptive. There is no place on Wikipedia for plagiarism and information without sources, so it is necessary that anyone who wants to improve this article resolve that issue immediately. The person who plans on improving this article has identified certain content gaps that need to be filled, and he/she has a plan to fill those gaps with information from reputable sources. Also, I think this person's plan to create new sections, such as the one about gentrification, is a good idea, because other people in the Talk Page have mentioned the importance of gentrification to this article, and yet it isn't really included in full detail in the actual article. It is clear that this person has identified the major problems in this article and has a solid plan to resolve them.

Since many people seem to feel strongly about gentrification, and it can be a bit of a controversial topic, I think this person just needs to keep in mind that they should present the facts about gentrification and its relation to Chicago's Lower West Side in a neutral manner. Those who edit articles on Wikipedia always need to make sure that they are not making any arguments, and that they are not trying to persuade the reader one way or the other. So when he/she goes to make the new section on gentrification, they should be careful to show the different perspectives on it instead of showing one side.

JosephJT (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review of Potential Improvements

You've been very clear on your intentions and how exactly you would execute your improvements and new additions. You have an obvious understanding over the topic. A simple reminder regarding your addition is that it revolves around a controversial topic like mentioned above. Ensure that your contributions are unbiased as well, and that you provide accurate and credible sources with your own contributions. Do not make an argument when presenting factual evidence, your end goal as a new wikipedian is to add on to this page without intending to persuade those who review this page.

You plan on revising portions of this page that fail to include citations or mention credible sources. That is something very important to look out for as plagiarism is not allowed on Wikipedia. Your additions intend on filling in gaps in information available on this page. But, If at all possible instead of simply removing portions of uncited informations you may be able to find accurate, and credible sources to support information previously added to this page. You may be able to avoid removing portions of this page that could lead to new gaps in information. Wuirofeo (talk) 08:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Second Peer Revision for Jovi KB

Hi ! Student Editor here ! It took awhile to find and read through your contributions to this page, but I believe it's adequate. So there are to sections of this wikipedia article that may be able to merge together. That being, certain portions from the "Layout" section, specifically the following lines"The east side of the neighborhood along Halsted Street is one of Chicago's largest art districts, and the neighborhood is also home to the National Museum of Mexican Art. St. Adalbert's dominates the skyline with the opulence typical of churches in the Polish Cathedral style.[citation needed]

Pilsen is home to a multitude of murals and other forms of street art. With an initiative from the Chicago Urban Art Society and support from the National Museum of Mexican Art artists have been able to construct murals around the Pilsen neighborhood, adding to the history, culture, and community of the area.[13][14]"; into the Art/Murals in Pilsen and their Significance[edit] section under a NEW Title that would allow the encompassing of all this information together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuirofeo (talk • contribs) 00:57, 16 November 2017 (UTC) Wuirofeo (talk) 01:02, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Peer Reviewing Part II

As stated by the other peer reviewer, it is a bit difficult to find what parts of the article are the student's work, but it is clear that the student created the new section on the gentrification of Pilsen. I think the new section has good facts, but there are a couple grammar errors I noticed, such as "Mexican population was constant between from 1970s-1990s...". It is important to make sure that everything is written in proper grammar. Also, I would recommend that the student put in more pictures representing the art and culture of Pilsen as it seems central to his/her work, though I understand that it may be difficult to find pictures that one can use legally on Wikipedia. Speaking of culture, it might be prudent to combine the different sections about the culture of Pilsen into one sections titled "Culture" as it seems like the sections like "Cuisine" have little written in them and thus it may not need to have its own separate section. Finally, I think that the section on the "National Register of Historic Places" is another unnecessary section. Currently it has only two sentences, so I think the student editor must either add much more information to that section, or to move the information from that section into another one.

JosephJT (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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