Talk:Meratus blue flycatcher

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A fact from Meratus blue flycatcher appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that only six years after its 2016 discovery, the Meratus blue flycatcher (pictured) was found being sold in Indonesian songbird markets?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Meratus blue flycatcher.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Male Meratus blue flycatcher

... that the Meratus blue flycatcher (male pictured) was first recorded from Indonesian songbird markets in 2022, despite only having been discovered six years earlier? Source: BirdLife International (2022). "Cyornis kadayangensis". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2022: e.T216557368A217110468.
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5x expanded by AryKun (talk). Self-nominated at 18:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Meratus blue flycatcher; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

starting review--Kev min § 21:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article expansion new enough and more than long enough. Article well cited, and sources neutral and used in a non=pov manner. Cornell website information taken AGF as membership locked. Image is mainpage compliant and distinct in thumb. The hook is interesting and verified to source for the songbird market half, but we will need a citation added closer the the 2016 sighting statement in the article per DYK rules.--Kev min § 16:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevmin: Added the ref; you can verify the 2016 date with either the 2016 Eaton paper or 2022 Irham paper, both of which are freely available on G Scholar. More interestingly, the IUCN writes "its discovery in the Meratus Mountains [...] in 2015", despite every other source agreeing on the July 2016 expedition being the first sighting of it. The 2015 date is definitely wrong and probably either a typo or a lapsus, so should it be noted in the article? AryKun (talk) 11:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the citations after the 2016 date, the article is ready to go, meeting DKY and WP criteria. AryKun, if there is a neutral way to note the date discrepancy in the article, go for it, maybe something along the lines of "... while the IUCN lists the original sighting as 2015, Source 1, 2, etc. are in agreement that the sightings were in 2016".--Kev min § 19:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question re: DYK

@AirshipJungleman29, @AryKun, @Kevmin; I'm a little confused by the wording of this DYK. It was discovered in 2016, and described in 2021, but only recorded in 2022? Is "recorded" being used very literally here to mean "video or audio recorded"? And "despite" is also confusing - is a six year gap typical? Atypical? I think this hook needs an overhaul. —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]

No, "recorded from Indonesian songbird markets in 2022", as in first documented from said markets in 2022. I thought it was interesting that it was being trafficked in the wildlife trade so soon after its discovery. AryKun (talk) 11:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I see what you mean. I don't think the current hook gets that across very clearly. How about ...that only six years after its 2016 discovery, the Meratus blue flycatcher was found being sold in Indonesian songbird markets? —Ganesha811 (talk) 11:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I thought the "recorded" meant "the birdsong was recorded", so clarification would probably be helpful, yes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that seems good. AryKun (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I've modified the hook accordingly. —Ganesha811 (talk) 15:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]