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Pronunciation, Gaelic and otherwise

Could I suggest we use sound files rather than making up approximations to the pronunciation? They tend not to work, especially once outside your own dialect are. A sound file would be ideal.

The bit about that /w/ I deleted because as it was, it makes no sense, at least not from a Gaelic point of view. There is no /w/, neither in Gaelic nor the modern Scottish pronunciation. I'll dig up the refs - I remember Iain Mac an Tàilleir writing about it potentially being Muilleann Gaoithe "Mill of the Wind" rather than Dai's Mill. Akerbeltz (talk) 23:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What you want is rule B07 for vowel + slender bh, that gives you /aiv/ over /aːi/ which is not generally an accepted sound sequence in Gaelic though there is some debate about whether some di/trigraphs contain long vowels but for now the model is that long vowels are only indicated in single vowel sequences. One could argue over full vowel vs glide but ultimately, that debate doesn't really make a massive difference and I think it's better sticking to one paradigm for now. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Sorry. Copy-paste from the source:
B09 (-)VbhˈV(-) [ j ]
When a slender bh is between vowels, normally the outcome is a
[ j ]. Common exceptions are the name Dàibhidh [daːivɪ], recent
loanwords like cleabhar [klɛvər] and draibhear [draivɛr] and high
register words like sléibhe [ ʃ Lʲeːvə].
So while I've added the glide sign, the two other changes were simply copied typos (or a result of a convention mismatch?). I may be too lazy to check if my old wikiaccount still exists, too absent-minded to remember what I read where, and inattentive enough to refer the authors of the article to the source by one of them, but fortunately I still manage to use the Clipboard correctly :-) 46.186.37.98 (talk) 03:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Urk, well spotted. I need to correct that in the book for the next edition. Another one of those annoying little errors. Daibhidh has short /aiv/ but the reduced form Dàidh has /da:j/, the disappearing /v/ leaving a trace of length. Mea culpa. Akerbeltz (talk) 11:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Older Scots miln in Milngaivie became simplified to mill. The i often being pronounced with a sound between Standard English hill and hull. Hence the pronunciation mul. The meaning is of course a mill for grinding grain.
The second element gaivie, perhaps a personal name, was likely pronounced as spelt. In Middle Scots v-deletion occurred intervocalically and between a nasal/liquid consonant and a vowel in some words. The resulting gai'ie became pronounced gay. Through a subsequent phonological change the pronunciation became gey (rhymes with guy). Hence spellings like Mulguy reflecting the Modern Scots pronunciation. 91.5.55.118 (talk) 22:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Very interesting. I agree that the pronunciation in the area (I live there) has not drifted so far from "mill" that the first consonant rhymes with "hull". A
WP:Pronunciation_respelling_key template, so for the sake of accuracy, I've changed it to suit in the first line of the article. Wikiwayman (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Pruning

My bad; only meant to remove the first individual. Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:52, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's ok. We all make mistakes sometimes. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:11, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Milngavie BID

Just reverted (as someone else already had) an edit to add a malformed external link to Milngavie Business Improvement District web site, and an internal link to a non-existent page about Milngavie BID. Agree completely with the original reason for removing those; namely that the page should be written first, rather than an empty link added. — pmcm 23:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree See
WP:Red
. The idea that the Milngavie Business Improvement District merits an article of its own (i.e. separate from the town) is unrealistic. The aims of the BID company are to promote Milngavie businesses and attract visitors to the town, so this clearly fits into the scope of the existing article.
Disagree Regarding
official link, just as valid as a link to EDC council. Wikiwayman (talk) 11:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Thanks for your comment. I would have left the external link, had someone actually added it as a proper external link, rather than just sticking square brackets around the link, like this: Milngavie.co.uk. Personally don't have any concerns issue with the link being reinstated properly, and suspect it'd be more useful than a link to EDC. — pmcm 12:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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