Talk:Paris Saint-Germain F.C./Archive 1

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In the last week, there was a racial riot of the supports. Can anyone write up a good section?--sin-man 02:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC) The supporter section is completely biased !! Please, believe that that Paris fans are not all racists are nationalists !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.88.111.211 (talk) 08:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The English on this page has many grammatical errors. It seems someone has simply made a word-by-word translation from French without paying any attention to the grammatical differences between the two languages. Can the person who made this article please try to correct the English?-- 10:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)Gautam Mainkar

The improvement is being worked on..Alphasig130 07:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

It is much better and now is a fluid, comprehensive article. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

This kind of contradicts the fact that it played in the lower divisions when it split from Paris FC, doesn't it?

124.182.182.118 (talk) 09:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

PSG never won the UEFA Cup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.87.26.68 (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It didn't split from Paris FC, it merged with them, so the actual team "Paris Saint-Germain" have been playing in the top flight, it was the one of the two merger clubs that didn't.

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Reviewer: Sandman888 (talk) ^{Latest FAC} 13:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

My second GA review. I will place this on hold, as I feel this could be a GA with some work. A nicely-written article. All in all, I'll say that the lede is too long, history section is a bit short and there are some issues to iron out.

I've failed the article due to lack of response from otherwise active nominator. Sandman888 (talk) ^{Latest PR} 06:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

General

• Colours. This is not often used in other football articles, I would recommend creating a spin-off article and remove all of the images, save perhaps one or two. Also needs references.
• References.
  • This is very problematic. Many of the references are poorly formatted and needs date, accessdate, author if possible and publisher. I recommend you use the {cite web} template so you remember all the important information.
  • None of the cited books are being referenced in the article. This is a cause for some concern. Also some of the books seem to have self-translated titles, which is not acceptable. Include original title and add the "|language=French" parameter when using {cite book}.

Stadiums

• Needs references, entire sections are unreffed.

Current squad

• The "starting line-up" image caption is unreferenced, and I'll be surprised if you can find a source stating the first XI. Something seems to have gone wrong with the image.

Reserves and academy

• Unreferenced sections

Managers

• I would remove the list of managers and keep the wikilink to "List of managers".

Presidents

• Again, would remove the list, or at least format it properly. Per MosFlag, the French flag should be removed.

Le classique

• Two first sections are unreferenced.

Rivalries

• Please, consider to add new emerging rivalry with Chelsea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:718:1E03:AED2:619A:246E:D9FB:69F5 (talk) 09:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Honours

• See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs for the manual of style. Formatting should be quite different.

Images.

• Often well-captioned, however there are some problems:
  • File:Coupe des Coupes 1996.jpg is a derivative, copyright belongs to trophy-manufacturer.
  • "Crest" section contains a gallery of non-free images, which is discouraged. One or two images should be enough to illustrate the evolution of the crest.

Lead.

• Far too long I must say, see
  WP:LEAD
  for recommendation on the lead. Remember, lead = summary of article. I would recommend writing a new summary and stuff in the lead.

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The disambiguation hat note for Paris Saint-Germain Rugby League needs to stay. That team had the same name as the soccer team, meaning the articles on them need to be disambiguated. Thanks,--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I've created a full disambiguation page for articles with this title.--Cúchullain ^t/c 12:19, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It's really strange to see some statistical features listed along with the international titles. Another part in the table should be created to include any places and honorific titles. They're not titles to list them with the trophies which is the point in a club's history. Isksin (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I happen to support the PSG AND to love football (I know, the two propositions may appear to be contrary to one another). If you share this burden with me, join the up to now segment of one :Category:Wikipedian Paris Saint Germain fans. Stephane mot (talk) 11:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

surely as football is an English sport and uses English terminology, and PSG play in the UEFA zone where England is and not America, this should be in english. Alan McBrazil Burger (talk) 19:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

England does not own the sport of football or Paris St. Germain, nor is British English the primary language of Paris. Neither American nor British English has a strong claim to this article, meaning that the original style shold have been preserved and any reversions of such are acts of pettiness. Please refer to the Wikipedia:Manual of Style page and read the National Varieties of English section to learn when reversions are appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.72.200.10 (talk) 11:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

As I can't change this myself, I simply ask someone who can to attribute the source of the melody for the song (that is, "Go West") to the Village People, instead of, as currently, the Pet Shop Boys.

Thx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.115.243 (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. UrbanGrill (talk) 13:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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Lucas Moura should be added to the list of Loaned Players - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Moura 124.149.62.193 (talk) 04:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Also, what's your source? -

Nathan Johnson (talk

) 14:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps it's just me, but the description in the second paragraph and the pictures in the info box don't match. I suppose one could describe the red panel on the front of the jersey as a "bar", although I would not use that term, however there is no sign of the white borders mentioned in the picture. Maybe this is a nitpick, but. . .Wschart (talk) 13:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Can someone please put an IPA on the Paris Saint-Germain F.C page I'm not sure how to pronounce it! WWE fan 4.0 (talk) 02:45, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hello I'm working at the Paris Saint-Germain. We noticed a mistake in the club description. The owner of the Club is not Qatar Investment Authority but Qatar Sports Investments.

Thank you to change this.

Paris Saint-Germain. Paris Saint-Germain 70 (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Done Sam Sailor ^Sing 14:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hello again, I'm working at the Paris Saint-Germain. Could you change the owner of the Paris Saint-Germain ? In the article it's "Qatar Investment Authority" and actualy it's "Qatar Sports Investments", it's very important for us. Could you change it everywhere in the article please ?

Thank you by advance.

The Paris Saint-Germain. Paris Saint-Germain 70 (talk) 12:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done - as you may have noticed, it was done the last time you requested this, but unfortunately, this was then reverted. - Arjayay (talk) 13:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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I believe Zlatan Ibrahimovic is (vice captain) in Paris SG this season, as he's been (captain) every time Thiago Silva hasn't been able to play. Taranodmk (talk) 11:27, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide

reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor ^Sing

13:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Show sources that says Thiago Motta is vice captain. I watch almost every game of PSG, and every time Silva has been out of the team,Ibrahimovic has been wearing the captain-thing (dunno what's it's called, the thing around the arm) even though Motta has been on the pitch with him. But no, clearly you aren't vice captain even if you're wearing the captain-thing in the absence of the first captain, not that kind of character, I should have known. Sorry, Motta is vc even if it's not him but another player who is captain when Silva is out. Thanks for letting me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taranodmk (talk • contribs) 15:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

PSG has had a lot more logos than this article suggests. You can see them all on the French wikipedia page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Saint-Germain_Football_Club#Historique_du_logo Funnyhat (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

This article forget one friendly title win by PSG in 2009. It was the Memorial Artemio Franchi against Fiorentina. This article about This friendly match exist on Wikipedia. (Akli11 (talk) 22:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC))

The "Support" section has a lot of weasel words and POv-inducing sentences. The section needs to be rewritten.Abcmaxx (talk) 23:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

The article says: ""Allez Paris Saint-Germain", to the tune of "Go West" by Pet Shop Boys, is the official anthem of PSG." I think this is false because the original song is from Village People, and it should be changed as such.--85.76.74.246 (talk) 22:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Laurent Blanc is officially left PSG with Assistant coach Jean-Louis Gasset and head fitness trainer Philippe Lambert need edit at management technical staff section source: http://www.psg.fr/en/News/003001/Article/76063/Laurent-Blanc-leaves-Paris-Saint-Germain Haipek123 (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 03:24, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I think this sentence needs to be amended:

"It involves the two largest cities in France:[8] the upper class in Paris against the working class in Marseille, capital against province and north against south.[45]"

Three of the four statements are true - Paris and Marseille are the largest cities in France, Paris v. Marseille represents the capital v. province and definitely North against South, which is a prominent cultural divide in France (Paris and Marseille are almost two separate countries in a lot of ways). But in no way is this a divide between the working class and the upper class - this is factually wrong. Both teams' supports are notoriously working class and have been historically. Sure, to Marseille fans PSG represents the arrogance and pretentiousness of the 'capital' city, of the North, but this isn't about social status at all. Besides, nothing in the referenced articles suggest that PSG is a representation of the 'upper class', so I think this bit should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hffmnn (talk • contribs) 09:13, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Wikipedia contributors.

I recommend that structural modifications in the introduction of the Paris Saint-Germain article, do not misconceive the current structure. The article is structured similarly to other similar articles and conforms to the standards and rules of Wikipedia. I recommend that modifications be made to update or supplement existing information.

In case there is any need for extreme modifications, I propose that there be a discussion among other contributors, here on this page. --

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Kévin Rimane is a French Guiananese professional footballer! 163.131.152.156 (talk) 23:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a

reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs}

) 01:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2020

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Please restore "Category:Football clubs in France" and "Category:Football clubs in Paris", they were removed by a user who did not know of

@Rathfelder:, could you please comment on this edit request? Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:30, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I think Football clubs in Paris should be a subcategory of Category:Football clubs in France.Rathfelder (talk) 16:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Rathfelder:, it appears the hierarchy goes Category:Football clubs in France -> Category:Football clubs in France by city -> Category:Football clubs in Paris -> Category:Paris Saint-Germain F.C.. So what's displayed on the article page is "Categories: Paris Saint-Germain F.C..." which may appear overly-narrow or redundant to a reader. I'm not an expert on categories, but it may assist a reader if this article is in both cats, although that seems a bit circular. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• The general rule is to put articles into the lowest suitable category.Rathfelder (talk) 17:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Right, closing. Thanks for your input. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

As sourced in the history section, PSG were relegated for administrative reasons in 1972 when Paris FC split out of them again. Ergo, PSG were relegated and are not unrelegated. This is like saying that Juventus were never relegated as their only demotions were for matchfixing, or Rangers for financial reasons. It's false and being removed. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Unknown Temptation so was it removed? Matthewishere0 (talk) 15:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

In the first paragraph, at the end of the synopsis, the text reads “Their home ground is Parc des Princes.” What I don’t like about this is that nobody refers to the stadium as Parc des Princes, it’s THE Parc des Princes. So someone please change it to “Their home ground is the Parc des Princes.” Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

See the last lines in the History section— it is written that “PSG has not made the semifinals since 1995,” which is not true anymore. Paris Saint-Germain have qualified for the semifinals in the 2019-20 UEFA Champions League, so it should be updated in the history section. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Can we add PSG as being the runners up of the 2019–20 Champions League? Or is that not significant enough to be listed in the honours section of the club? If someone could answer that would be nice. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I've noticed that Kays Ruiz-Atil has not been added into this section. It would be a nice thing to do if someone did it; I do not know how to. Thank you and have a good day.Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect

Hello @Paul Vaurie: and @DroopyDoggy:. Saw a slight edit conflict between you two, so I thought we should reach a consensus on it. Also, I would like to make one or two other points.

1 - Think it is better to have 'Other players under contract' like the current version, rather than having it overcrowded with all the youth players. Never seen it in any other club's pages either. Would be better to have them in under-19 or under-17 section in academy article like we had last season.

2 - In both 'Other players under contract' and 'Academy players with first team appearances', contract duration of players are given in brackets. Have only seen that when they go out on loan. Think it would be better to remove those brackets.

3 - Both Pembele and Nagera are born in 2002 and are not qualified to play in U19 league from this season onwards. They are currently under 'Academy players with first team appearances'. Maybe we should move only those 2 players to 'Other players under contract' ?

4 - There are 6 other 2002-born players (Franchi, Alloh, Balde, Mutombo, Ahamada, Bitumazala) who currently have pro contract. There are also two 2001-born (Fressange, Oufella) with pro contract. None of these 8 players are qualified to play in U19 league next season. They haven't made first team appearances either. Imo, we should add them under 'Other players under contract' like we did with Saidani, Makutungu, Kapo etc last season.

Let me know your opinions. Thanks! Kokoeist (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kokoeist: Seems reasonable. Just one thing - who said Franchi, Mutombo, and Bitumazala are not eligible for the U19 team? They are all still 18 years old. When is the deadline for the age? Is it 31 December? Paul Vaurie (talk) 07:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: Yes, it is 31st December. It happened in Makutungu's case last season. He was 18 when the 2020-21 season started. His DOB is 21st December 2001. And he was ineligible to play in U19 league matches last season. So, only players born on 1/1/2003 or after it will be eligible to play in U19 national league this season. I am not sure if there is a minimum age required to play in that league. Kokoeist (talk) 10:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

The addition of Donnarumma as a PSG player could be controversial but let me explain.

1 - One of the most reliable transfer sources Fabrizio Romano confirmed the transfer that will be announced after the Euros.

2 - He has already completed his medical in Florence.

3 - The next source is his Italian and PSG teammate Marco Verratti, who said that he is excited to be teammates with him.

I think I provided enough evidence to not delete Donnarumma as a player right now. Noogometni urejevalec (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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Add 30 As Messi Number Gjoandet (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

PSG is not just owned by some random businessperson through a private company (as the lead currently states). PSG is owned by the authoritarian ruler of Qatar through a state-run company. An editor removed language that clarified the ownership with the edit summary "no politics here" which is puzzling.[1]

Again, it's clearly pertinent that the team is owned by the authoritarian ruler of Qatar's state-run company. The current version of the lead suggests it's run by a random businessperson through a private company.

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) 01:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

In the introduction of the article, i ask you to not remove anything because its more completed and there were some big facts that were omitted from that part, like the merger of Paris FC and Stade Saint-Germain and also the split between Paris FC and PSG. Then at the history of the club, i recommend that we should change the part of the QSI regime, but not to much, due to the other part that you reverted being very incomplete and missing various key points that were part of the regime, like this years summer transfer window. I suggested a final edition by using the information provided by both of the users, but one of the users reverted it, in order to end this futile dispute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7Road (talk • contribs) 23:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hello im Megaso22 i am wondering if anyone in wiki Knows aboit the PSG and if you know them is Lional Messi in the team?😏😏😑 Megaso22 (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Kylein mbappe is a good, excellent player get him a good coach — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.228.220 (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

There is a number of books and articles talking about PSG, among which the recently published Ranc, David (2012). Foreign players and football supporters: The Old Firm, Arsenal, Paris Saint-Germain. Manchester: Manchester University Press.

This discusses many of the issues with this article (logo, supporters, players). The book also references Paul Dietschy's article and Thierry Berthou reference book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.17.232.254 (talk) 12:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

They’re not the sixth highest revenue earner, but the seventh. According to the wikilinked article. I haven’t made the edit as I can’t see where the replacement revenue figure comes from. Boscaswell talk 23:24, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Why Messi is not visible in the player list, yet there is a Messi entry when "edit page" is opened? Is it a bug? 46.10.148.234 (talk) 21:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)