Talk:Patrick Denis O'Donnell

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I see he was "Seneschal for Tyrconnell", so surely this should be the thrust of the article. It is too long at present.--Couter-revolutionary 10:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He's more notable than any of the murderers of innocents who are having pages put up on Wikipedia just because they were terrorists. I don't really have a problem with it. David Lauder 18:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Righto, although 1. we can't know if any of it's true and 2. it's probably far too long.--Couter-revolutionary 18:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are far worse things to deal with. You are spot on in the AfD for the terrorist, but don't let them wind you up. David Lauder 19:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non-noteable in my view. Also too long. Nevertheless his contribution to the world was surely greater and more constructive than that of some others in wikipedia. - Kittybrewster 19:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have followed this trail from the Vice Great Seneschal of Ireland debate. I do not agree that this Patrick Denis O'Donnell article is about a "non-noteable" person. He seems more notable than many others with bios on Wikipedia, at least in his own country, and in military and historical circles. I am intrigued by his plethora of articles. I asked a friend in Ireland to check out the obituaries referred to. They are mostly actual biographical articles, not obituary notices, including a substantial one "An Appreciation" published in the editorial page of the Irish Times on 24 January 2005, which is usually only given such attention for notable people. The one in the Kerryman Newspaper on 13 January 2005 was titled by the newspaper editors "Esteemed military historian and writer", and the Kerry Eye newspaper in Tralee on 27 January 2005 had a title "Army officer was military expert". The death notice in the Carnet du Jour section of the French newspaper Le Figaro on 18 March 2005 in Paris noted his title as "Seneschal de Tyrconnell" with the appropriate family details. Certainly, such tributes in Austria would be notable, and I would think they would be elsewhere too. How many old soldiers have an honour guard at their funeral with the Chief of Staff of the country's Armed Forces in attendance, 20 years after the deceased's retirement?! That is not to say that the article could not be shorter. (Max Kaertner 15:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Some editors have vandalised earlier edits without citations justifing their edits. Clearly the subject of this article is deceased for almost 4 years, and the diversity of edits, including those geolocated to Vienna, and Beirut, as well as this German editor, do not justify claims that it is the subject's family. More rigour is required, less polemics, and less POV, by those editors who prefer to pontificate about Ireland's diverse heritage.134.147.63.40 (talk) 19:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article says:

He also held the position of Hereditary Lord Steward for Tyrconnell, with prerogatives as deputy to the Lord High Steward of Ireland (Great Seneschal of Ireland)

The sources in the article don't appear to be sources for this at all. Could we have sources? I would like to understand how exactly this gentleman was the Great Seneschal of Ireland including whether he was recognised as such by the Lord High Steward of Ireland. Thanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 15:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Linking User:Seneschally as I think he is the primary Editor on the page. Frenchmalawi (talk) 15:17, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article says he was deputy to... the Lord High Steward of Ireland, otherwise known as the Great Seneschal of Ireland. O'Donnell himself was not the Great Seneschal/Lord High Steward. The latter Crown title should not be confused with the term Seanascal (Seneschal in Irish), apparently also used to describe Donal Buckley, as the Governor-General of the Irish Free State in 1932. See the article on Lord High Steward of Ireland. Have you also checked the other reference, the "Directory of Some Lords of the Manor and Barons in the British Isles"? See also "Case on behalf of Henry John Earl of Shrewsbury and Waterford and Earl Talbot on his claim to the office of Lord Steward of Ireland, House of Lords, 1 August 1862" [1] Seneschally (talk) 21:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]