Talk:Pride flag
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Gay man flag
Most of these flags here are not really mainstream, you wouldn't be able to show it to someone on the street and have them recognize it besides like, the rainbow one. I don't think the fact that it is originated in social media should be a point against it, as the lesbian one also was. I don't think including the most used flag for gay men, a huge part of the LGBT community, is "indiscriminate archiving of all flags".
Things showing how common it is:
Physical versions of it to buy: https://pridenation.lgbt/products/blue-gay-men-flag
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08B4QGSRF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_-u5-Eb8BG772B
https://www.1000flags.co.uk/gay-male-pride-striped-5-x-3-150cm-x-90cm-flag-76197-p.asp
Pins and many other products: https://www.etsy.com/listing/754583534/gay-man-gay-male-gay-bear-pride-flag-pin?utm_source=OpenGraph&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share https://www.fursonapins.com/shop/product/631
https://gayprideshop.co.uk/collections/gay-male-mlm
There are many more links at the source of its creation (https://gayflagblog.tumblr.com/merch).
Articles or so about it or that include it: https://cadehildreth.com/pride-flags/ (source posted)
https://queercafe.net/symbols.htm
https://orientando.org/search/apora/
https://www.josiewrites.com/2021/02/19/writing-gay-characters/
https://entendi2.com/nueva-bandera-gay
https://escriturafeminista.com/2018/06/19/cicloorgullolgbtia-identidad-gay/
https://codigopublico.com/rompiendo-codigos/bandera-gay-necesidad-o-capricho
I could also find many many examples of it being used on social media, but I was told that was irrelevant to adding things here... When imo it really shouldn't. The way LGBT youth expresses themselves absolutely matters, and the fact that such being done in social media is considered not valid is, legimately saddening to me. And this is a website that archives plenty of things related to the internet.
It might seem like I'm just someone randomly deciding to put this nonsense here, but there's the fact that, a version of the file was originally uploaded here back in 2019, it was included in another article before I even tried putting it in pages myself, after the revert of my original one on LGBT symbols someone else(that isn't me, or the original uploader, or the one who added it to the gay men page) added it back, so clearly this is something that a considerable amount of people think deserve to be here and not just some random whim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wonkakun (talk • contribs) 7:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Judaism not a location
The Jewish Pride flag looks out of place under the heading ‘Location-based flags’. Jews live all over the world. The BBC references given show it being used in San Francisco, but it is also used in the UK, as shown here Nomist (talk) 19:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- The image file is called Gay Pride flag of Israel.svg so maybe it is primarily location based and is mislabelled here, or maybe the international use shows that it is not primarily location based and hence it should be moved to the Other flags section? I'm not sure which but I do agree that there is something not quite right about the way we have it at the moment. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Rainbow Gadsden flag
A spoof of the (usually right-wing Gadsden) flag is to take the rattlesnake and the words DON'T TREAD ON ME upon the gay rainbow flag. This spoof suggests that gay rights are not to be "tread upon". Pbrower2a (talk) 19:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- Many such flags exist but I doubt that any are notable enough for inclusion in the article. If there are any reliable sources covering parodies of pride flags then that might be worth covering but, unfortunately, I suspect that the most notable examples would be anti-LGBT parodies, such as the ugly monochrome flags that the "straight pride" trolls like to fly. DanielRigal (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
But the one that I suggested is a legitimate pride flag due to the colors. "Straight rights" other than the dubious one of oppressing LGBT people, have never been at risk. The rattlesnake on a yellow flag, originally a protest flag against repression by King George III, has been co-opted for causes not clearly patriotic. Suppression of LGBT rights does not enhance the liberty of anyone. Pbrower2a (talk) 07:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but you are missing my point. Is it Reliable Sources that could be used to source coverage of it? DanielRigal (talk) 12:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)]
Polyamory and Leather Flags
Polyamory and the leather fetish is not inherently LGBT. A pride flag means a flag that represents a romantic orientation, sexual orientation, or gender that is inherently LGBT. Also, polyamory is listed under romantic attraction flags. Polyamory is a relationship style not a form of romantic attraction. Also, leather is a fetish not a sexual orientation, gender, or romantic orientation. Fetishes and relationship styles are not inherently apart of the LGBT community.-- Preceding unsigned comment added by DarknessGoth777 (talk o contribs) 17:56, 10 February 2024
- Deleting the Leather Pride Flag from the gallery page would be very ill-advised, since the gay male "leatherman" sub-culture (or "old guard" as it's known now) was very well organized in the 1960s and 1970s, when a number of the other groups with symbols on the page were completely unknown, and would not become known until decades later... It would be blatant historical revisionism. AnonMoos (talk) 18:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how it would be historical revisionism. The leather flag was not made specifically for the gay male leather scene it was made for the leather scene as a whole. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 19:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Whatever -- The gay-male "old guard" leathermen in the U.S. were very well-organized (and prominent in some circles) when most other things having to do with gays and lesbians were rather disorganized, and most additional identities were very obscure at best. I don't think that erasing this long history while allowing flags referring to much more recently-established identities does anything to help the article. AnonMoos (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how not including the leather flag as apart of the article is erasing history. Again the leather flag was not made specifically for the gay male leather scene. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 03:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm saying that the leather flag and the polyamory flag are not pride flags because having a fetish for leather or being interested in polyamorous relationships are not inherently LGBT. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 06:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- There may not be a strictly logical connection, but there's a strong historical connection in terms of concrete groups who had a strong early presence in the history of homosexuality in the mid-20th-century U.S.A., and removing the flag would be to ignore such history in the name of abstract semantics -- something which would be especially obnoxious because the "old guard" gay male leather community were well-organized at a time when many of the other identities represented by flags on this article were extremely obscure or almost unknown... AnonMoos (talk) 00:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- And also polyamory is not a form of romantic attraction it's a type of relationship so it shouldn't be placed under romantic attraction flags either. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 06:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)