Talk:Rajdeep Sardesai

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I am not sure about wikipedia's policy on using Youtube videos as a reference. While it is an accepted form (WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOLINK), there still exists another clause (WP:NOTRELIABLE, WP:NOTRS, WP:QS) especially as the video does not come from an official source. Views are welcome. Vistaindia (talk) 06:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

People should stop venting their anger here on wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunkinghunk (talk • contribs) 12:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A year later, I can see there was some coverage, although the story seems to have been "journalist heckled, assaults heckler, Twitter is both angry and supportive, journalist apologises" - no arrest, no resignation? --

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That just shows it as belonging to

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Mr. Rajdeep Sardesai abused one NRI with foul language at Madison Square Garden on 28Sep2014. Mr Sardesai started pushing and became physical with the same person.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=477128325760154

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 Not done This needs to be reported in a

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Rajdeep Sardesai/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following

Last edited at 13:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 03:51, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Per previous discussion on this

Here's the latest edit adding it back.

From the source (DNA) provided, it's an incident where there are only barely notable allegations from both sides, the source itself don't support either side nor does his lengthy apology. This is tilting towards

You need to go and look at the each news item carefully or if you are unable to do so find another editor. First Rajdeep Sardesai reported that he was assaulted by BJP sympathizers at Madison Square Gardens The Editors Guild deemed it an attack on the press. After which videos were shown where Sardesai initiates the confrontation and get abusive, physically and verbally. The release of this counter point prompts Sardesai to issue an apology -which is long tendentious and obliquely accepts responsibility. You cannot wish away this incident or whitewash it. The piece is NOT based on youtube videos, but use reputed news articles as primary source. There is no innuendo or hearsay here. It appears that vested intersts are trying to suppres this incident.2602:30A:C7D7:E590:4038:8BD9:CDE:89A7 (talk) 13:15, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Without giving details of New York incident, the story of Raj Deep Sardesai is incomplete unless some vested interested administrator in wikipedia wants suppress it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.51.88.119 (talk) 06:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really mean "unless"? MPS1992 (talk) 13:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In this edit I removed a Controversy section added by Amitized. I explained why in my edit summary, but here are the highlights in case discussion is warranted: We don't, by default, include controversy sections. There's no requirement to do so, and many editors believe these sections place undue emphasis on negative events, which may conflict with WP:NPOV. It is totally unclear why we would care about something as vague and minor as a scuffle. The other content, "Another occasion in 2018 Rajdeep made controversial comments regarding his parliament attack coverage" was totally vague and lacking in any actual information, that it is impossible to discern why we should care about this. What were the comments? Under what circumstances were they made? Where was the subject when he made the comments? Why did he make the comments? The basic Five Ws are not being addressed here. When we add content we should ask ourselves, "Is there any academic value to be derived from this information in 10 years?" I don't think that a scuffle and a vague write-up about some unknown thing the guy said will have academic value in 10 years. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, including content that makes sense over period of time is right. Also the positivity aspect is correct though I'd need more clarity on controversy sections. Do help me with relevant link to understand. Amitized (talk) 17:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:CSECTION for more information. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply

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This Padma Shree awardee "Journalist" peddled so many fake news in his entire career, latest was on honorable ex-Indian-president's ailment, he rushed to declare that he is dead when he was trying to recover. Controversy section must be included for this Fake news manufacturer. History should be recorded as it is. ManojAvadhani (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to be commenting without understanding what I said. 1) "Controversy" places undue emphasis on negative events and sounds more like clickbait. A section about "Criticism of his journalism" or something that is more focussed, might be a better option, and would have to be amply attributed to reliable sources. 2) Whatever content goes in such a section, can't be written in a half-assed manner with insufficient context. We have to address the

neutral point of view. That means we're not here to drag the subject through the mud just because we personally may not like his work. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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In controversy section I feel following part is going off track taking things on different tangent away from the bio Amitized (talk) 09:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Several journalists and politicians who reported about the

BJP-ruled states. Siddharth Varadarajan

called the police FIRs "malicious prosecution". Press Club of India (PCI), the Editors’ Guild of India, the Press Association, the Indian Women's Press Corps (IWPC), the Delhi Union of Journalists and the Indian Journalists Union in a joint press conference asked the sedition law to be scrapped. Editors Guild of India spoke against invoking of the sedition charge on journalists. The guild termed the FIRs as an "attempt to intimidate, harass, browbeat and stifle the media"."

Above entire part is off track and should be included elsewhere in the relevant article. Amitized (talk) 09:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How to enable "Criticism of his journalism" section? Tried but in vain. Any pointers? ManojAvadhani (talk) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any edits by you on the article talk page? Take a look at Cyphoidbomb's post at the top of this section, read

reliable sources. All the while, please bear in mind that wikipedia has very strict policies on what we say or write about living people and statements such as the one above (the fake news one), without excellent sources to back you up, can lead to your being blocked. --RegentsPark (comment) 19:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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This was just unconscionable. "Knee-jerk reaction"? "Face palm"? Apparently Majov, you don't quite yet understand what

neutral point of view is. We write content in a dispassionate tone and we're not here to issue our personal critiques or snarky zingers about article subjects. I thought I made that fairly clear. "Journalism mishap" is an opinion. We do not present opinions as facts. If you can find that his peers criticised his work, then that could be presented like: "After Sardesai prematurely reported that Prime Minister Pranab Da had died, Sardesai was criticised by members of the press, including Person X, Person Y and Person Z." That's a big difference from you issuing a judgment like that this "was a face palm to his journalistic credibility". Also, while it was nice that you noted that he apologised, it would have been better to indicate that he apologised for not fact-checking, which tells us what specifically he was copping to, rather than leaving the reader to infer that he apologised for making a mistake. Also, we don't use slang and we don't use euphemistic speech. A person doesn't "pass away", they die. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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• New York incient - it's an incident where no way we have a clue who was wrong - Indian Anchor’s Scuffle in New York Draws Supporters and Critics - New York Times, Rajdeep Sardesai expresses regret for scuffle in New York - Business Standard
• Pranab Mukherjee's premature demise - [1] - Zee News
• Sania Mirza's pursuit of motherhood - Jennifer Aniston, Sania Mirza and the pursuit of motherhood - Live Mint, Sania Mirza’s tongue-in-cheek response - Deccan Chronicle
• General criticism on violation of journalism principles - Little support for Rajdeep Sardesai's defence of tainted journalists - Deccan Herald
• Defamation case against Rajdeep in SC which was refused by SC - SC refuses to take up defamation case against Rajdeep Sardesai, IBN-7, says freedom of speech, tolerance must in a democracy - First Post
• Rajdeep leaving social media - Rajdeep Sardesai not quite right on social media - First Post, Rajdeep Sardesai Threatened With Police Complaint For Inviting Activist Nandini Sundar To His Show - Scroll

I won't be surprised to see repeated messages citing controversy section should not be part of

Many editors feel that Controversy sections place undue emphasis on negative events, which makes it more difficult to maintain a

5 Ws are adequately presented, and that it's written in a neutral tone, then it could be incorporated. Part of reason why some of this content was removed before, was because it was written with zero regard for neutrality. The editor above wanted to editorialise rather than dispassionately present the details. So that was a problem. The content you've linked about the defamation suit seems very vague to me. I'm not sure how much time should be spent mentioning that, but in a paragraph that points out some of the times his reporting faced criticism by peers and members of the public, it might be worth briefly mentioning. But we should present all of the key details, including the disposition of the lawsuit. Wasn't it dismissed? And then, even amidst all this content, have we also spent enough time mentioning the good aspects of his career? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I second Cyphoidbomb. Indians love gossips and same can be seen in OpIndia's and Delhi Riot's Wikipage. BeeJayPeeSocks (talk) 02:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the support, but my comments weren't mean to be hostile toward Indians. Westerners are also influenced by outrage and sensationalism, but at the English Wikipedia, more editors are interested in Western articles and are more likely to bring balance to Western articles. Without that heavy community scrutiny, greater care must be employed to Indian articles so that we're still in line with the neutral tone of the rest of the encyclopedia. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cyphoidbomb, while I agree we may not build an overall new section, but definitely we can integrate few of this issues under career section. IMO, it is far from neutral now and adding few of this would make it neutral. I do understand the point about the defamation case and hence let me find more links on that. rest all issues cited above have plenty of links while i have at max shared two. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 07:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is Rajdeep Sardesai a narcissist? Sneh Vatsa (talk) 15:41, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you infer that? This is an article talk page not a forum. See

WP:TALK#USE. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply

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WP:NPOV. Being temporarily taken off air is also not a significant enough controversy for addition in the lead. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 05:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Cricinfo have info about his stint in cricket, should we added infobox cric in lead or write a sub-s? [2] Tesla car owner (talk) 06:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]