Talk:Senate of the Republic (Italy)

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BetacommandBot 06:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is Rita Levi-Montalcini still a member, even though she died on December 30th 2012. If not, could somebody who know more about the senate remove her and change the numbers accordingly. 149.172.233.78 (talk) 15:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a valuable era to devote some alinea's about? --SvenAERTS (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Renzi reform is not mentioned in the article. When would it take effect?--2A02:908:C31:A600:24B5:F35B:9F7A:60C5 (talk) 02:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. It's been a while since I have been thinking that it's actually not at all clear the way how we determine the exact numbers for the majority, opposition and support in the infoboxes. This is true on this page, but also on Chamber of Deputies (Italy) and Italian Parliament. The last edit done here by Glimbeden made me finally take action on this. As far as I can see, there are a few options:

1. Use the numbers from the latest (no-)confidence vote (see tables in
   Conte II Cabinet
   for the latest confidence vote). The advantage of this criterion is that it's very accurate – there is no place for mistakes. However I would not prefer it because not every MP is present at the confidence vote, and we would have a partial representation of the Parliament composition. This method also implies that a same party can have members in various factions (like the M5S with Paragone in the opposition).
2. Use the parties' official positions on the government (and go on a case-by-case basis for independent MPs). In this case, for example, More Europe would belong to the opposition also in the Chamber. This method can also be very definite, at least for the parties (only for a few independents it would be unclear), and also involves all MPs in the total count. So this is the choice I would support.
3. Check the typical voting behavior of the groups and of the single group members (so that if we find out that Paragone, even though in the M5S group, votes always against the government then he is officially part of the opposition?). This criterion is very hard to implement, maintain and cross-check, because it involves a lot of work. So I would not support it.

I think at the moment we are having a mix of all these options, which is a totally arbitrary counting method. So, what would you prefer? Do you think there are more options? Please contribute! --

Hi! I support the second choice, too. Besides, the behavior and political position of almost all indipendent MPs are well known in this legislature, so there is no reason to doubt whether they'll keep supporting or opposing Conte-II. But what about Rubbia and Piano? (N.I.) They're not part of any group, they are not "politicians"...one voted in support of the government last time, the other was absent. Glimbeden (talk) 10:45, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]