Talk:The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert

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Broken Link

The link to Cindy Pastel doesn't exist. Maybe someone could make an entry for Cindy in Wikipeida. --Khalidabdulkhaleqabdulla 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality Concerns

I didn't want to just tag this non-neutral, but I have some issues with the following:

The film explored gay stereotypes without always reverting to those stereotypes just for a cheap laugh. The main characters were neither sinners, nor evil (like many gay, lesbian, and transgender characters in early film) nor perfect, saintly martyrs (i.e Philadelphia), but rather fully formed characters with strengths and flaws.

These two statements are decidedly POV. I haven't seen the film, however, and I'd like to ask/encourage someone who has to try to clean this section up just a bit. Thanks! --S0uj1r0 08:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen the film (several times) and I have just tried for about an hour to re-write that paragraph into something coherent. It needs to be more scholarly and frankly what that paragraph is trying to express is way too complicated and abstract. I give up, but I don't think it should be deleted either. Lontano 12:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely contravenes NPOV! Format 02:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Man with cart?

Anyone else recall this man wearing futuristic tonic suit pulling a cart or trolley of some sort running with some kinda of strobe light on an antenna on the cart? What's the deal with that? He made 2-3 appearance over the film and on one occasion Felicia attempted to say hi to him. --Kvasir 01:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i think they just wanted to toss in a random weird joke. it did seem very out of place though, if anyone knows what's up with that, do please add it. --dan 06:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The joke is from the begining of the film where they are seen leaving Sydney along with a woman who is said to be running across Australia in some sort of round-the-clock marathon. The joke is that she is running as fast as they can drive.Nleamy 04:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
oo it was a woman then! Thanks for the explanation. --Kvasir 07:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stated opening date of musical version now past

Does anyone know if the musical version did open on the projected date given? If so, can they tweak the future into the past tense? Tx. Nat 15:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done and further revision welcomed. Conrad T. Pino 10:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trumpet

"A joke, explaining where Trumpet got his name, was omitted for the film's US release, but later released on the Special Edition DVD." The article should say who Trumpet is, yes? Nat 15:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I found out, and tweaked. Nat 10:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stage adaptation

The stage adaptation has it's own

Priscilla Queen of the Desert - the Musical article. The stage adaptation content in the film article is long in comparison to film article's length. I suggest moving the bulk of the stage adaptation commentary to that article. Conrad T. Pino 10:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply
]

Totally agree. Most the material about the stage adaptation should be removed. 70.116.1.237 (talk) 15:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oscars

What did the film win the Oscars for? Anyone know? Vauxhall1964 20:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it won for costume design —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.30.255.45 (talk) 04:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some fancy descriptors for the characters

An IP editor has recently changed the description of the three main characters. It was "three drag queens, one of whom is a

cismen
".

I'm reasonably well read, but I've never come across the terms

cismen
. They may well be accurate, but I haven't ever seen such terms used to describe the characters before. I haven't looked at all the references (some are to a book I don't have), but there's no hint that those words are used in any of them.

If the terms are accurate, I guess they're doing no harm, except confusing people not close to the LGBT scene. They did look a bit odd and made up when I first saw them, so I reverted the changes, but our IP editor de-reverted with an edit summary including "huh? " and "what gives?". He/she seems fairly committed to the change. I'm not touching the changes again until we have a bit of discussion on the matter.

HiLo48 (talk) 05:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Felicia" may be gay, but "Mitzi" (Hugo Weaving) is not necessarily. He has a family... not all drag queens are gay, many are in heterosexual relationships. Mitzi just wants to act as a woman, no more. No where in the film does he commit to homosexual acts. Please change it. --82.82.149.59 (talk) 11:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting POV

I just removed a claim that the involvement of Jason Donovan in the musical version of the film is "interesting" given the references to Kylie Minogue in the script. Firstly it is unreferenced. Also it is POV. Also, it is not really very "interesting" given that the main co-star of Donovan and Mingoue throughout their Neighbours stint, was Guy Pearce, who played a lead role in the original The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert film. Format (talk) 20:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Song performed in Priscilla, Queen of the Desert :I Will Survive

Greetings all,

Been hunting for information on the song performed in the movie. I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor in the movie had some incredible backing performance and vocals mixed in from the cast extras that were Aboriginal Australians. Was there ever an actual song rendition of this. I have the soundtrack with the original song and a remix. I would much prefer finding a copy fully produced from how it was presented in the movie itself.

Thanks to anyone who can provide me with any information on this.

Sincerely, Ham Channell


As far as I know, it was not released a version of this mix of the song you mention. However if you are interested in the original score of this movie, there is an album called "The Priscilla Companion" with the instrumental songs composed specifically for this movie by Guy Gross. I added this information on Wikipedia as you can see in (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Adventures_of_Priscilla,_Queen_of_the_Desert&diff=610243968&oldid=610243836) But user HiLo48 deleted it allegedly that my source was uncertain, even though I added the correspondent sources but he ignored them deleting again and again. I have a mix of the song "I will Survive" with the chants you make reference to direct from the movie audio track. If you're interested contact me with your e-mail and I will share it.

Sincerely, Takeh (talk) 05:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Anon here requesting this be added to Category:Films about buses

Thanks! 2607:FEA8:80A0:1270:65C7:3438:BB07:897 (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Production "Deleted scene" information incorrect, not sure how to source a citation of such evidence

The section on post-production says the following:

"On the advice of early viewers, the film was shortened and scenes such as Adam's flashback about his paedophilic uncle were cut out."

Anyone who owns the film on blu-ray will know that the stated flashback appears at 30 minutes into the movie and is not cut. Has this been reinstated on home video releases, or was it never cut in the first place? In any case this should be changed but as I don't see this information elsewhere online I'm not sure what to cite; it's easily disprovable for anyone who owns a copy of the movie. Even if the information is in the cited book, then that source must be incorrect. Is the veracity of the claim that the film was shortened on the advice of early viewers also thrown into question by this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmbroseCadwell (talk • contribs) 00:26, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portrayal of Filipina character

I’m sure there was a lot of concern about the negative stereotyping of the Filipina character. It certainly upset me when I saw the film on its original release. I’m surprised it isn’t mentioned here. 49.186.57.84 (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in Racism and sexism controversy. DonQuixote (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What?? No mention of the Abba turd?

How is this so?? 192.84.52.10 (talk) 15:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in the Soundtrack section: although it was later decided that an ABBA song would be more appropriate because [of] its "tacky qualities" DonQuixote (talk) 15:51, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Awards table

@Koavf: For now, I have reinstated the Awards table you deleted. Rather than get into an edit war, please itemise specific parts of the table you believe violate WP policies. Chrisdevelop (talk) 07:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All unsourced information needs a source. Have you read
WP:BLP? Are you familiar with these policies and your obligation to provide sources if you re-add unsourced information? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Can you please specify which parts of this table you believe are 'unsourced'? Chrisdevelop (talk) 07:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of the table: none of it has any citation in this article. You also did not answer my questions. Please answer my questions. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
{{citation needed}} should be used in preference to deletion of a contribution, especially in this case, a longstanding table that has so painstakingly been prepared by other editors. CN should be used only for contributions that are likely to be challenged. All the entries in the table are easy to verify for such a notable film. I don't accept your view that none of them are verifiable, or that every one of them needs a citation. Moreoever, if you click the links in the table, they branch to WP articles where the relevant credit is supplied. For examnple the very first award mentioned branches to AACTA_Award_for_Best_Film where the subject is listed. Chrisdevelop (talk) 07:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me: do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that anything was unverifiable. You are not reading what I'm writing and that's very frustrating if we're going to have a constructive conversation. I will ask you again: have you read
WP:BLP? Do you know that Wikipedia cannot be a source for Wikipedia? Do you know that all content on Wikipedia that is about a living person must have a source? It's concerning to me that you cannot or will not answer these simple questions. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
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I'm afraid you very much did, when you said "All of the table" was unsourced. 'Sources' are provided in the articles inked to; for example the official website https://www.aacta.org/ lists the awards linked to from AACTA Award for Best Film. The AACTA Awards article itself lists 64 citations. It is perfectly straightforward to verify this.
From the OR article you adduced: 'The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.' This is simply not true of this table. The articles I have drilled down to from the table all lead to long established awards. To provide a citation for every single entry in a table produces unwarranted clutter.
'"verifiability" means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source'.
Again, I ask you to be specific about which entries on the table you are claiming are likely to be challenged, and for which no reliable source exists as above.
Alternatively, we can throw this open to a formal dispute. Chrisdevelop (talk) 07:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is unsourced. That does not mean it cannot be sourced. Again, please do not misconstrue what I wrote. I keep on having to ask you the same questions over and over again: "I will ask you again: have you read WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:BLP?" If you actually look at
WP:BLP, you know that there is an even higher standard of proof than for the rest of the encyclopedia, so why are you adding claims that living persons lost awards with no inline citations? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Of course I have read all those articles, and I quoted already from them in previous replies, which you appear to be skim-reading. I never claimed "living persons lost awards". But if that's an issue, you can flag it without deleting the entire table.
I see you also removed this title from Category:BAFTA Awards, yet on the BAFTA official website, the award is listed: http://awards.bafta.org/award/1995/film/costume-design
I will file this as a formal dispute. Chrisdevelop (talk) 08:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Please stop adding unsourced information to Wikipedia. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have filed it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#The_Adventures_of_Priscilla,_Queen_of_the_Desert Chrisdevelop (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RFC on Table of Awards

Closed as overtaken by events, by the inclusion of references in the table, thanks to User:Schazjmd. The RFC served the secondary purpose of publicizing the need of the table for sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The table listing the Awards has no citations.

It was removed from the article by this edit, because it is unsourced: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Adventures_of_Priscilla%2C_Queen_of_the_Desert&diff=1156503955&oldid=1152957036

It was then restored to the article by this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Adventures_of_Priscilla%2C_Queen_of_the_Desert&diff=1157091434&oldid=1157090908

Should the table be removed from the article as long as it is unsourced? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The choices are to remove the unsourced table, or to retain the table. If citations are added to the table, this RFC can be closed as overtaken by events. Enter Yes or Remove or Delete in the Survey to remove the table, with a brief supporting statement. Enter No or Keep in the Survey to keep the table, with a brief supporting statement. Do not reply to other statements in the Survey. The Discussion section is provided for back-and-forth discussion.

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  • Keep The removing editor has not identified any problem with the table that would justify its removal. Being unsourced is not in itself a problem. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion
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Removal of references from Response and Reaction sections

@2405:4803:C6B9:1300:FD0B:2967:3772:5A67 Why did you remove citations? Chrisdevelop (talk) 12:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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