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We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.
Cleanup.
To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?
Standardize the Chronology.
A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)
Stub sorting
Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .
Data sorting.
This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.
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I didn't see a link to Pharoah on either the Memphis page or this Thebes page. Would it be sensible for one or both of them to so link ?
Afrocentric bias not needed
The complete body of the text on Thebes has been replaced for the second time with an article that is rife with Afrocentric bias. Moreover, it is, quite frankly, poorly written, and it is not properly formatted for use with Wiki. To the anonymous individual at 24.209.250.134 who is posts this material, please read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view article and the relevent pages on formatting.
I am therefore changing the article back to what it was before the Afrocentric version was inserted. I would, however, like to invite 24.209.250.134 to contribute all s/he wants, but ask that a NPOV be maintained. We can then avoid an edit war. --Nefertum17 08:55, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Which bias would you prefer? Rktect 10:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Theba of Egypt and Theba of Boeotia
Why Greeks named the city "Niwt-rst" or "Waset", capital of Southern Kingdom, as "Thebae", which is the name of Boeotian city?
'The name Thebes is often mistakenly thought to derive from the name of the Greek town called'
Um -- if it's 'mistakenly', well then a number of hugely respected Egyptologists (both alive and dead) are mistaken. Barry Kemp explicitly discusses the Greek Thebes/Egypt Thebes relationship.--Pwaryuex 04:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It was a "mistake" by the ancient Greeks, I suppose is meant here. But wasn´t it Herodotus who wrote about Thebes with one hundred gates, I hardly recall this from the Illiad by Homer? --JFK 12:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Population figures
It is difficult and sometimes even impossible to rank the world´s top five largest cities in ancient times. The Chandler list [1] is based on some very general assumptions. --JFK 12:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I changed the 1980 to 1780, which I believe to be a typo.
It is believed that Thebes was the largest city in the world from
Ancient Egyptian Waset was called Thebes by the Greeks,
Nineteenth dynasty of Egypt Rameses Meri Amun named the horses of his war chariot "Victory of Thebes" but a good deal of his time was spent campaigning in the north and the affairs of Thebes are left to the temple administrators of Amun. During the third intermediate period Thebes formed a counterbalance to the influence of the 21st and 22nd Dynasty Libyan kings who ruled from Tanis in the delta. As the original Montu, the bull of Thebes developed into a a triad dedicated to Amon, Mut and Khons, Thebes (T3-ipet), plus Luxor (Ipet-resyt), and Karnak (Ipet-isut) formed a temple complex that with Deir-el bahr stretched an itrw or river journey, 1/10 of a geographical degree along the Nile.
Can't believe the city's name is included in several languages but not in the original :) There are several versions for it, I don't know if it's possible to put these hiero boxes next to each other so that they'll look nice?
"Waset" means "City of the Sceptre", "niwt-rs.t" is "Southern City" and "iunu-shema" is "Heliopolis of the South". (There are two words for south because rs, feminine rs.t means south and sm’ means literally "upstream on the river". – Alenshatalk 12:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, it's very pretty! – Alenshatalk 18:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
References
^Adolf Erman, Hermann Grapow: Wörterbuch der ägyptischer Sprache. akademie Verlag, Berlin, 1971. p.259
That said, the following can be used for expanding the article or can be used to cite facts that are currently unreferenced:
Gauthier, Henri (1925–1931), Dictionnaire des noms géographiques contenus dans les textes hieroglyphiques [Dictionary of Geographical Names in Hieroglyphic Texts], Vol. III, Cairo: Imprimerie de l’Institut français d’archéologie orientale du Caire [The French Institute of Oriental Archeology at Cairo] (Reprinted at Osnabrück by Otto Zeller Verlag, 1975), pp. 75–76. (in French)
Polz, Daniel C. (2001), "Thebes", The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, Vol. III, Oxford: Oxford University Press, pp. 384–388.
Redford, Donald Bruce (1992), "Thebes", in Freedman, David Noel (ed.), The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. VI, New York: Doubleday, pp. 442–443,
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"On the west bank, he built the his enormous mortuary temple and the equally massive Malkata palace-city which fronted a 364-hectare arificial lake."
The word "artificial" has been misspelled. I tried to correct it but I am not a registered user and so was unable to alter a semi protected page. Thank you!
BakaSugiru (talk) 13:05, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done and resolve "the his" as your quote - Arjayay (talk) 17:53, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I suspect there are others as well. I've only done a cursory search. Eye of the Moon is an orphan, and I think this is a good opportunity to properly incorporate it into the encyclopaedia.
Matthew V. Milone (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"In popular culture" sections have problems; they often accumulate a great deal of trivia. If you're thinking of including modern novels, such a section would be more or less dedicated to a subcategory of "in popular culture". Moreover, Thebes is probably the most popular setting for novels set in ancient Egypt because it's one of very few major Egyptian cities whose geography is easy to reconstruct. Thus, the list could get very long. If you do decide to make such a section, I recommend the advice in the essay Wikipedia:"In popular culture". A. Parrot (talk) 00:14, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know. In that case, it might be a bad idea. Still, it seems worth mentioning somewhere in the article what you said: that our unusual amount of knowledge about the city makes it a popular setting for stories. Thanks for the input. Matthew V. Milone (talk) 01:19, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It would be worth including, but, unfortunately, I know of no reliable source that says what I just said. Without sources it's
original research and can't be added to the article. A. Parrot (talk) 01:32, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Meaning of thebes
I am not a linguist, but Arabic form of its name, طیبة, may be interpreted as Pure or pleasant or neat. مسعوداص (talk) 04:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Book of Nahum describes No Amon as "Sitting among channels, surrounded by water, the sea is its bulwark". This doesn't sound like a description of Thebes. Furthermore, the Targum and the majority of Medieval commentaries describe No Amon as Alexandria, or an ancient city that preceded it in the same location, which sounds more compatible with the description in Nahum.
Additionally, the 15th century responsa of Rabbi Shlomo Duran (Rashbash chapt. 1), who resided in Algiers, distinguishes between someone travelling to the Holy Land from a distant location--which he describes as farther than No Amon--as opposed to from a close origin which is closer than No Amon. It is not logical that in Algiers he would describe travelling to the Holy Land down the Nile, but eminently reasonable that one would travel the Mediterranean, and Alexandria would be much closer than Algiers along the same path.
I'm not an archeologist and I've never edited a Wikipedia page before, so I'm reluctant to make any change personally. But, it seems to me that Nahum is not referring to Thebes as No Amon, and in the 15th century some Mediterranean port was called No Amon, perhaps Alexandria. PZM71 (talk) 15:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This issue is discussed in the source cited at the end of that sentence in the article; I found a copy online, here. Apparently, this passage in Nahum has puzzled people for a long time. This paper makes it sound as though most scholars consider the No-Amon in Nahum to be Thebes, though a minority have argued that it must refer to some city in the Nile Delta where Amun was also worshipped. The author of the paper argues that because Nahum is making the point that Nineveh will suffer destruction as Thebes did, he takes a description of the geography of Nineveh and poetically transplants it to fit Thebes as well. I may write a footnote to explain this issue when I have the time. A. Parrot (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot, that source was very helpful.
I'm still confused regarding the responsa of Rabbi Duran, which is how I found this topic to begin with. Perhaps, since traditional Jewish sources identified No-Amon as Alexandria, the association entered the vernacular. PZM71 (talk) 17:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]