Talk:Tomb Raider III

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March 27, 2017Good article nomineeListed

The order of the levels

Someone recently changed the order of the levels, switching the South Pacific segment with the Nevada segment. Although this is probably in line with the semi-official order of levels Core used as the basic set up, I oppose this change for the following reasons:

  • In reality, players choose their next locations so the order of the levels is arbitrary.
  • The original order of levels I chose is the one that is most commonly advised on in walkthroughs. Picking Nevada first after India will ensure minimal weapons loss in High Security Compound.
  • I've tried to design the article in a way that almost each segment has an example screenshot. India and the South Pacific have their screens on the Gameplay overview, and Nevada and Antarctica on the Levels overview. This unfortunately leaves out London but for reasons of readability (not *too* many screenshots should be used) and also for reasons of spacing. By switching Nevada and the South Pacific the screenshots of Nevada Desert and City of Tinnos are jerked together, which doesn't look too good.

--Steerpike 23:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dont know what you're talking about, as soon as I finished the India level it took me straight to the South Pacific island level.

Then you probably pushed the wrong button. --Steerpike 15:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Raiders of the Lost Ark reference

Someone added this to the trivia of the idol:

Actually, this is not an Indiana Jones reference, but rather the "Golden Mask of Tornarsuk" - the treasure Lara Croft retrieves in the Tomb Raider II Gold Bonus levels

So what is it? The idol from Indiana Jones or the Golden Mask? --Steerpike 18:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to remember that someone from Core confirmed in an interview on the DVD of one of the Tomb Raider movies that it is a reference to Indiana Jones. I'm not completely sure as I don't actually own the DVDs myself. --Shrensh 07:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is a reference to Indiana Jones, and it's part of the special features section of the first Tomb Raider movie DVD. What it entails are interviews with both the creator of Lara Croft and the head of Eidos, and they're giving a short history of the creation of the character, who originally was male...and the concept back then looked too much like Indiana Jones. This led to reworking the character into Lara Croft. Carajou 22:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fresh idea

I have a proposal. I posted some time ago an article that just doesn't fitted with Wikipedia's standards. This is my article: User:Locketudor/Tomb Raider music. I want to split it, remake it and distribued it to all Tomb Raider games. --Tulok 15:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Geordie man named Bob

If you guys both say his name is Bob, I believe you, but do you have a cite for it? It seems a bit of a random piece of information to include in the article, especially since it's not mentioned in the game itself, and will probably end up getting edited out again unless you can provide a bit of proof - Shrensh 00:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't cite the script the anonymous user was talking about, but yesterday I was looking at (and listening to) a new 'official' soundtrack release (click here and move over to TR3) which lists a song as 06 - Tomb Raider III - Geordie Bob, so I reckon he was telling the truth. It is kind of trivial to mention though, but only if you actually know it's never mentioned in the game, so I don't think there's any harm done. I dunno, I'd let it slip, but if it's deleted again I'm not going to revert it. Cheers. --Steerpike 10:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for that. I'll leave it there too. - Shrensh 12:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Different Opening

Although it has been awhile, I remember reading in a gaming magazine when this game was released that the Japanese release featured an alternate opening movie which featured Lara. Sarujo (talk) 11:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you perhaps find a reference (preferably online) that cites this? If so, it can be added to the article. ~~ [Jam][talk] 12:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's going to be hard to do as I wouldn't know where to begin online. The only way I think to help back my claim is find the magazine article in question. But don't remember anything beyond the article. However I get the vibe that might have been reading Tips & Tricks. They do, or at least they use to have a regular article called "Japan Report!" and might have been profiling the game's Japanese release. As I also recall, the article also diverged alittle about the Japanese's take on Lara such as how they pronounced her name. Sarujo (talk) 11:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Complete Re-doing of the Reception Section

The reception section has no sources to back up it's claims about what fans and Crtics thought at all. Im proposing that we find some reviews of the game and rewrite the section, using reiews as sources to back up these claims. I would be most grateful of some assitance in this.Super Badnik 22:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, i have re-written the section using reviews of the game with sources. If anyone could add to it, then please do so.Super Badnik 13:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the Game?

Are we sure this game is just called "Tomb Raider III"? As everywhere else i have seen it it's been called "Tomb Raider III: Adventures of Lara Croft" including on the game box art and in the game. So should this article be re-named, or do we have anything to say it is just called "Tomb Raider III".Super Badnik 20:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The
common name is "Tomb Raider III", although the full name is mentioned in the first line of the article. ~~ [Jam][talk] 20:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply
]

Ok, that maybe the one commonly used but is it the official name?Super Badnik 20:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the rationale section. The "abbreviated title" seems to fit most of the criteria there, so that is probably why it is used in favour of the full name. The full name is a redirect to this article, so people visiting that page will still be directed here. ~~ [Jam][talk] 21:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply
]

Ok, im fine with the name in that case.Super Badnik 22:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reception section

Whoever is continuing to edit the reception section, please stop doing so. It's perfectly fine as it is, and just in case you didn't know, "The reviews were okay" isn't appropriate language for a critical reception section. Since when did you ever see that on Wikipedia? It's simply because the reviews weren't just "okay" as you put it, they were good, ergo generally favourable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenedictJStone (talk • contribs) 19:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Indrian (talk · contribs) 18:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The beginning of the long, slow decline of Tomb Raider at Core Design. Sounds like a fun topic for a GA Review! Indrian (talk) 18:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, down to business:

Lead

  •  Done"Development of the game was led on the PlayStation console, with the Microsoft Windows version being simply a better-looking conversion of it." - Awkwardly worded and passive voice. "PlayStation" should be the subject of the sentence rather than "development." Perhaps something like "The PlayStation served as the lead platform for the game." Also, "better-looking" is vague and subjective. How is it better looking? Higher resolution? More detailed textures? I realize we don't want too much detail in the lead, but we need something a little more defined.
Changed the sentence but kept the "better looking" part. Although I suspect it means higher resolution, the source does not give more details.

Plot

  •  Done"that impacted with Antarctica millions of years ago" - The meteorite either "collided with" or "impacted on" Antarctica. As either one works and I have no strong preference, I will leave it to you to chose one or the other rather than fixing it myself.
Fixed
  •  Done"and found that it had incredible power" - Had is poor verb choice here. Perhaps "held incredible power" or something similar?
Fixed
  •  Done"Lara confronts Sophia in her office and obtains the artefact after shooting a fuse box connected to an electric bridge that Sophia was standing on" - How does shooting the fuse box gain her the artefact? The connection is not clear in the way this is currently worded.
Removed the second part because it is not necessary to understand the plot.
  •  Done"Lara deactivates the meteorite by taking the artefacts out of their positions that they were put in" - Awkwardly phrased.
Simplified

Development

  •  Done"Development of the engine was led on the PlayStation console" - Same problem with this phrase as in the lead.
Fixed
  •  Done"with the Microsoft Windows version being simply a better-looking conversion of it" - Rather than simply calling it "better-looking," there should be a little detail here on what was enhanced graphically.
No more details are given in the source
That's fine. I tweaked the language a bit, but we can leave it at that. Indrian (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done"pseudo medium resolution" - Technical jargon with no clear meaning from the text.
Added quotation marks because the source does not give more details
That works under the circumstances. Indrian (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done"a factually correct storyline linking all the locations was written" - I assume "factually correct" is meant to imply the crafting of a plot tailored to actual landmarks and lore in each location, but the term does not really convey that concept effectively. Instead, it sounds more like they were basing the plot on a true story.
Removed the "factually correct" bit.
  •  Done"The 1995 film Desperado was seen as an influence on Lara's gun play" - Was it "seen as" an influence in the sense that the source is guessing it may have been a factor, or was it actually an influence as revealed by the developers? If the former, I think this should be taken out entirely as the opinion of a single author. If the latter, the language should be changed.
Fixed. The film was actually an influence.

Marketing and release

  •  DoneI think we need just a little more info on the expansion. Does it take place during the events of the original game, or after? Is it tied to the plot of the original, or is it a whole new plot? Does it add any features (weapons, vehicles, etc.) not found in the original?
Done. The expansion is essentially a set of new levels and there is not much info about them.
Still feels a little light, though that may be just because there is not much to say. Its fine for GA purposes, however. Indrian (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And that's it. I made a fair number of edits for grammar, mechanics, and flow myself, leaving the relatively small issues above. I will place this review  On hold while the concerns are addressed. Indrian (talk) 15:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your review and great copy-edits, really appreciated! I think I have addressed most of the issues you have listed above and left a comment regarding your first point. Please let me know what you think. --Niwi3 (talk) 21:00, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, everything looks good. I will go ahead and promote. Well done! Indrian (talk) 20:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PC Player sales analysis

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