Talk:Triforium

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This article didn't actually have a definition, only lots of etymological waffle, so I added one.

I've only ever heard of the etymology which derives the word from Latin. I doubt an English word is its origin: I suppose the word is older than a hundred years or so, making a migration from England to the continent (it's the same in French and German, and some more languages apparently; see interwiki links) unlikely, especially since ecclesiastical architecture on the continet had a stronger impact on ecclesiastical architecture in Britain than the other way round. Ncik 01:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi could some put a redirect in for triforia to triforium. Thank you.

Done, to do it yourself next time, just type in the name of the Article you want to create in the Search, type in the name of the article you want to redirect from. Edit it and type in the name of the page you want it to go to then highlight it and press the #Redirect [[]] link under the edit box, then save without a summary.--User:Rock2e ^{Talk - Contribs} 22:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The origin of the word triforium from the Saxon Germanic thouroughfare / fahrt /farum is debatable and quite improbable. The architecture and its terminology have a Greek Roman origin, particularly in sacred constructions. "Thouroughfare" is a fourteenth century term: one can hardly say that at that time constructions and architecture were dominated by the Anglo-German terminology. Perhaps it was influenced from the French Gothic, but the given term is totally absent in French language. It is a case of undocumented and invented etymology.

I'd stay on the "lectio facilior" of a latin-greek word which is probably a mispronunciation of a medieval Latin term with ancient greek or ancient eastern origin. In short, it is not good practic to say the source if there is not a source. This is *invented etymology*. - Frank 17:00, January 3 2014 (CET)

This is an informative piece which does not, in my judgment, have "multiple issues", it does not "rely largely on a single source", and it is not an subject which requires much in the way of "inline citations". This kind of officious negativity just puts people off contributing to Wikipedia. The article covers a small aspect of Gothic architecture quite comprehensively and has, for the subject, enough links to other sources. The only statement which definitely requires substantiation is "the triforium at Lincoln being one of the most beautiful compositions of Gothic architecture". I personally do not necessarily agree, but I have provided a reputable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:C22:B443:CD00:4C36:DCCF:5A11:DF25 (talk) 12:31, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SUBJECTIVE, thank you, good catch. By "Sources", it means things in the References section; wikilinks to other wikipages don't count. It seems that this article was originally copied from a public-domain early edition of Encyclopædia Britannica, which is why it has few inline sources. HLHJ (talk) 18:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply

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I really can't see how these triforia and matronea differ. Could we please explain in the encyclopedia why they do, or alternately, merge them? HLHJ (talk) 18:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am unfamiliar with the term matroneum. I did some basic searches in a few historical architecture dictionaries, both digital and in print, but I didn't find a single reference to it. My guess is that it is the same as a triforium but when in service of female observance was called a matroneum, or was a kind of convergent evolution within Gothicism. This is only my guess, but you have sparked my curiosity and I will get back to you with some solid citations. --

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Glad it's not just me :). If it's that rare a term, and we can't find further info, those may be arguments for an article merge. Since churches that segregate women into a gallery are presumably pretty rare, any usage-based distinction seems as though it would be pretty obsolete. The "Matroneum" stub article mentions in the first edit comment (2009) that it was translated from the Italian, and the only source is Italian, so maybe our problem is that we are using English-language sources. It seems an odd term if it originated in Latin, since technically, you need children to be a mātrōna, and I've seen a similar distinction preserved in late medieval/early modern church Latin. HLHJ (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From the inter-language links, it seems as though the homologous words may have different meanings in other languages. HLHJ (talk) 20:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]