Talk:Tuck Rule Game

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I'm a Pats fan, and I've usually heard it referred to as the "Snow Bowl," not "The Tuck." Maybe "the 'Tuck Rule' game," but never "The Tuck." Samer 18:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both are listed. But fans that aren't like us know it more as the tuck rule game, or something to the effect. Pats1 19:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not quite my point. My point is simply that I cannot find any sources that use the name "The Tuck" (cf. "Music City Miracle", for example). I think "Tuck Rule game" would be a better title, as that is a fairly common usage (and more descriptive). Samer 19:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One reason not to call it the "snow bowl" is that there is another game with that title on Wikipedia. Vidor (talk) 02:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Snow Bowl entry really should redirect to here. It's the most common name of the game that I've heard (I'm a Giants fan). You could have two Snow Bowl pages--one the redirects to here and one that is that Grey Cup game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.28.246.186 (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry if I kicked over an anthill. I was updating Snow Bowl (disambiguation) and that seems to have re-opened an old wound. I personally have no preference whether the article is called "Snow Bowl" or "Tuck Rule Game", but whichever way you decide, the disambig page should be adapted to match, either:

• Snow Bowl (New England)
  , also known as the Tuck Rule Game, the 2002 NFL playoff between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders in Foxborough, Massachusetts

or

• Snow Bowl, also known as the Tuck Rule Game, the 2002 NFL playoff between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders in Foxborough, Massachusetts

Good luck working things out, I'm heading back to Category:Disambiguation pages in need of cleanup. If it does turn out that you need a third opinion from an uninvolved editor, let me know and I'll dig into it a bit more. :) --Elonka 00:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I moved this back to Tuck Rule Game. I think this is easily the more common name (for anybody not a New England fan). I also think it's the best title since, as pointed out, there have been multiple games known as the "Snow Bowl" and only one known as the "Tuck Rule Game", so it's far less ambiguous. This was the only conversation I've seen about it. We might want to take it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League if we want a broader opinion. Torc2 (talk) 00:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A google search for "Tuck rule game" provides barely any relevant results. "Snow Bowl (Patriots)" gives much, much more. Believe me, I've never heard anyone say "Tuck Rule Game." Never. "Snow Bowl" is easily the most common name for the game among fans, Patriots or not. Tuck Rule Game was simply an alternative to "The Tuck." Pats1 ^T/C 01:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You wouldn't happen to live in Boston, would you? I imagine nobody uses it there. I'll list this on the NFL board. In the meantime, I'd suggest reading

WP:UNKNOWNHERE. Torc2 (talk) 02:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Fixed.Torc2 (talk) 12:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there is more than one "Snow Bowl" (hence a Disambig.); and there is only one "Tuck Rule game". Thus, the latter name is unique and definitive. KyuuA4 (talk) 20:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This title is awful.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 01:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think chaging the name was a bad idea. The game is remembered by most sports commentators as the Tuck Rule Game. For God sakes, the new name is too long. Please just change it back to the Tuck Rule Game. That's how it's remebered by 90% of the football watching population, that's what it should be called. So please, whoever's in charge of naming this article CHANGE THE NAME BACK TO THE TUCK RULE GAME! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve12992 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the enthusiasm of Patriot fans have diminished, we can very well do that. Oh, let's get some neutral sources on this too. KyuuA4 (talk) 18:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made the move (the capitalization error should be fixed shortly). The consensus here and on [[1]] seems to be The Tuck Rule game. If this answer isn't satisfactory, I would suggest calling an RfC rather than continue edit warring over the name. Torc2 (talk) 19:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone but those in the New England area knows of this game as "The Tuck Rule Game". Even folk in the middle of the country knows it as the Tuck Rule Game. If you mention "Snow Bowl" to most fans outside of New England, they wouldn't have a clue as to what you're speaking of. But no sooner you say "Tuck Rule Game", everyone in the vicinity knows EXACTLY what game you speak of and even recalls where they were when it occurred. The only way you don't remember the Tuck Rule Game is if you weren't interested in the game, dead or unconscious. Sessou (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be capitalized (Tuck Rule Game)? Kidlittle (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the article say he was attempting to pass when he was not?►Chris Nelson^Holla! 23:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well obviously he wasn't actually going to pass - it was a pump fake. Which is basically the loophole of the rule (a QB could run around pump faking and not be able to fumble). But whether he was attempting a pass or just pump faking is irrelevant to the rule. Pats1 ^T/C 03:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I just think the wording is misleading, because he never attempted to pass. Pump-faking is not an intention to pass - it's an intention to pump fake.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 04:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The wording of the article states that instant replay revealed that Brady's arm had moved forward. It was obvious that Brady pump-faked in real time, not just on the replay. Also, Vinatieri's tying kick wasn't the final play of regulation. The Raiders took a knee to end regulation.65.174.54.231 (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it says that there was 27 seconds remaining after. Pats1 ^T/C 03:12, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There seems (to me )to be a contradiction in the description "... any intentional FOWARD movement of his arm starts a forward pass, " followed by the referees explanation "the ball was moving backwards when it was lost, but the tuck rule applied." this needs to be explained otherwise it appears as a contradiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.26.126 (talk) 22:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added "Snow Job" as one commonly used name for the game. Unfortunately, I don't have a particular online source that verifies its usage, but Googling "tuck rule" and "snow job" shows a number of independent usages to that end, which I believe demonstrates its usage. Furthermore, a recent TV episode of NFL Films' produced "Top 10" show on NFL Network, "Top 10 Games with Names", noted the discrepancy of names for this game, noting "Snow Job" as one name of use, particularly by Raiders fans. (Perhaps it would help if I add a citation for that episode, even if it's not available on the Internet?) For the record, I'm not partial to the Raiders, and don't call the game "Snow job" myself. I just recognize its usage.WallyCuddeford (talk) 03:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it should be noted, I don't believe "Snow Bowl" is an accurate name for the game, despite its having been used in the two cited sources. One of the sources cites Patriots coach Bill Belichick asking kicker Adam Vinatieri whether he thought his kick in "the Snow Bowl" was his most important. I don't believe shorthand between a coach and player qualifies a name as being in such general use for encyclopedic purposes. Furthermore, the capitalization of the term appears to have been at the whim of the article's author. (In other words, it's ambiguous whether Belichick was asking Vinatieri about his kick in "The Snow Bowl" by name or "the snow bowl" in a lowercase, generalized sense. The distinction was apparently made by the author.) The other source puts "Snow Bowl" in quotes, as if to acknowledge the non-officiality of the name. No use of "Snow Bowl" for this game seems to be independent of qualifying text explaining which "Snow Bowl" is being referenced, in part because it seems any big game in snow gets called "Snow Bowl" (thus further establishing its irrelevance to this game in particular). On the other hand, usage of "Snow Job" makes no attempt to explain the particular circumstances. However, I left the name for now, unless others here also think it superfluous.WallyCuddeford (talk) 03:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you're going to use your own OR for the "snow job" reference, then "snow bowl" will stay; that would be such an obvious double standard if you were to add one and remove the other. Believe me, "Snow Bowl" is easily the most widely used name among Patriots fans. Pats1 ^T/C 11:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a double-standard, yes. Having both names is fine, if they are both widely enough used.WallyCuddeford (talk) 05:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can here looking for the January 9th 2011 game between the Chiefs and the Ravens, I thought that game was the tuck rule game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.250.160.43 (talk) 05:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is the reversal of the call by Walt Coleman referred to as "quickly" reversed the call? Its my understanding that it is the longest reviewed play in the history of the NFL. I think it was 12 minutes he spent reviewing the play. Seems really strange to call the longest reviewed played ever as "he quickly reversed the call" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.6.157.86 (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A certain senior member thinks that everyone knows what is snow. This is ridiculous. Snow is unique to certain places and quite uncommon in some locales, and a surprise in places like Los Angeles and Las Vegas where it infrequently falls. Vast parts of the planet are unfamiliar with snow, and snow was an integral part of this game. It deserves to be linked so that necessary context can be conveyed. 47.137.183.192 (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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MOS:OVERLINK. People who speak English can be expected to know what snow is, even if they have never personally experienced it. Grayfell (talk) 09:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply

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