Talk:Visa requirements for Indian citizens

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I have found out that the Henley and partners visa restriction index is apparently wrong with most of the NON AMERICAN and NON EUROPEAN countries. For example they have stated that Filipino citizens can enter only 58 countries whereas Filipino citizens can enter almost 60 countries and territories same goes to Indian citizens.I am an Indian citizen and i do a lot of research about the visa requirements for me as i travel a lot. Indian citizens can enter 58-59 countries with visa free or visa on arrial policy but in the Henley and partners visa restriction index they have shown just 52 without even giving the list of those 52 countries.I cant trust henely and partners until they provide evidence as the name of those countries they list as numbers to prove their claim. According to me the Henley visa restriction index is flawed and cant be trusted.

the best way to analyse a country's Visa restrictions,the passport holder of that country who is a frequent traveler could be the best source to know about the Visa restrictions.Visa policies change frequently and its important to update that information. My sources for updating the passport visa requirements for different countries are the FOREIGN MISSIONS of other countries and that's why I trust it completely because no one could know the visa policy than the foreign missions.

so please dont just base ur research on the so called VISA RESTRICTION INDEX by any institution which doesnt even provide with the relevant evidences for its claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anks7866 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Anks7866, That is all great but your personal experience and research is unfortunately not valid on Wikipedia. You must read the Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth to find out why.--Twofortnights (talk) 13:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If those foreign missions say something like "Indian citizens can travel to xx countries without a visa or by obtaining a visa on arrival" then yes you can use it. Otherwise, no you can't. I understand what you are saying but it's the Wikipedia rules. As for Henley they explain their methodology in the report.--Twofortnights (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Henley's methedology is flawed untill they provide the names of the so called number of countries they claim the passport holder of a certain country can travel to. -- Anks7866 (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is to resolve the apparent content dispute with my edit on Visa Requirements for Mozambique by User: Twofortnights. I will say that both of ours information has been incomplete and hence eventually incorrect. Since I have recently travelled to Mozambique and faced a very hard time in procuring the Tourist Visa and don't want any Citizens of India to experience again. Here is my experience(source of info) and hence finding( I'm very serious about this issue and this is not spam) 1) Mozambique Embassy in New Delhi doesn't issue Tourist Visa. They only issue Business Visa or Visit Visa which both require Invitation.

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2) You may be correct about Visa on Arrival at Airports but we were not given positive response to that by Embassies in Delhi or Nairobi and Visa on Borders is complete No. It is now expected by Mozambique Authorities for some time and instructed to Border Visa Authorities that if there is Mozambique Embassy in the home country, Visa should, for no failing, be obtained beforehand and it is also advisable because of prevalent corruption, bribe culture & harassment. Even US Citizens are instructed to obtain Visa prior to travel. ^{[3] [4] [5]} I hope we can come to the conclusion to provide the complete information in this regard. Thanks you! I will be updating the info so that no other person gets misinformed as we did. Mohitkingra (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2014 (UTC)Mohit Kingra, [email protected][reply]

Actually you are right about Mozambique now requesting all visitors coming from countries that host their embassy to obtain a visa in advance. So yes, Mozambique is no longer a visa on arrival destination for Indian citizens as India hosts the embassy of Mozambique. This could even refer to coming from a country with Mozambique embassy in simple terms of arriving from such a country, but it is unclear if this interpretation is correct. I however have a problem with your assertion that the Mozambique embassy does not issue visas. If citizens of India are instructed to obtain a visa at the embassy and the embassy doesn't do that then it would be a very stupid situation. The visit visa that you mention is indeed the tourist visa. The fact that an invitation letter is required does not change anything, many countries add this requirement, it does not mean that they don't issue visas. They obviously do, if there is a list of visa requirements, then it doesn't make much sense to claim how visas are not issued because what purpose would the list then serve.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Twofortnights, Thank you for reply and improvement with the section! i'm satisfied with the changes as indian travelers to mozambique will not take Moz visa for granted. i'm ok with the knowledge that they find out about no tourist visa at embassy. But Just to put my perspective on Tourist Visas in general, i disagree with your statement that invitation letter does not change anything. For a tourist, who just wants to visit a country for tourism purpose, i don't see the legitimacy to provide an invitation for that, (its the stupidest situation i have encountered ever for real and i'm going forward with my complaints to Ministry of Foreign Affairs here in India and Indian Embassy in Mozambique). Invitation can only be possible if the person knows someone there, but what if the traveler doesn't know anybody, then he can't just be a tourist visiting places, can he? Reason for Visit Visa what i see is maybe very less tourists from india or indians don't being tourists and settling there illegally so allowing only business and family visits but whatever the reason, this is the sickest system fall out.Mohitkingra (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mohitkingra, I agree with you that it doesn't make sense, but I am just saying many countries do it that way. They are probably not interested in tourists, although in some countries the invitation letter is not always strictly an invitation letter, for example many Gulf countries accept confirmation from a hotel or certified travel agent that the tour has been paid as a form of sponsorship so that tourists can visit as well and in some countries it is a farcical formality where there is an agency issuing such invitation letters for a fee and such letters don't actually mean anything but are required by the diplomatic or consular mission (probably as a form of corruption). The only country that openly says that they do not issue tourist visas is Saudi Arabia. This Mozambique visa requirement is the same in other countries, for example British citizens are also expected to provide a letter of invitation for tourist visits - [1], so I am not sure if your complaint will bring any results but good luck.--Twofortnights (talk) 12:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Twofortnights, yeah there are many countries which are not interested in Tourists (most cases from a particular country) and require many travel supporting documents but requirement of Invitation letter can only be for separate category. In a literal sense, a person can only arrange that if he is visiting someone he knows(family,friends) or sponsored(for business) there who can take his responsibility/justify purpose in the foreign country. Travel supporting Documents such as Hotel Bookings, Travel Agency etc are things a tourist can comply for as they can be included in the travel plan or not(faked) just for satisfying the rules of the foreign country. The strangest (and i think illegal thing) is that Mozambique doesn't have a Tourist Visa Category for Indians which i want to contest against. Regarding the link you mentioned, i'm afraid you misread it, Invitation letter is required for Visa except Tourist Visa... Thanks for the good wishes!59.177.226.194 (talk) 04:21, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

--copied from ttp://www.mozambiquehighcommission.org.uk/?id_w=3&id_w1=16 Visitors other than tourists are required to produce a:

6. Letter of invitation from the official or business institution in Mozambique or from the United Kingdom -if travelling for private/official business or volunteer activities

OR 7. Term of Responsibility (Must be signed by the host and authenticated by an official Notary) - if visiting family members or friends.--

Hi. Well then perhaps the same thing applies in India? You should see with their embassy. Although it can't be "illegal", they are in their full right to impose whatever visa regime they deem fit, even an unfair or nonsensical one. As for the invitation letter for a tourist visa, that is not such an uncommon occurrence. For an example Mongolia comes to mind, although it might have changed this recently, but before they used to ask for an invitation letter for any visa. Azerbaijan for an example lists " Letter of Invitation" as a mandatory requirement, however if you ask them what it means they will tell you it includes a confirmation from a hotel. So check with the Mozambique embassy what do they mean by this, it might be a simple issue. If not, I am sorry, then it means Mozambique is not interested in visitors from India, and such things happen as well.--Twofortnights (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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There has been lots of mistakes pertaining to the visa requirements that have been enlisted on the wiki page. I had corrected all of them myself since I live in Europe and I have been to most of the countries. So, I exactly know what the visa requirements are and the corresponding references had been hyperlinked. But on the contrary, my updates were reversed by TwoFortnight back to his original update which was very disappointing considering the fact that I was not given any explanation. I am sure of not contributing to this page anymore, ever again.

First of all making edits based on your own experiences contravenes the Wikipedia:No original research policy. Second of all, I am not so sure that your additions were based even on personal experience, as you for example listed Gabon as eVisa country, but that is only a planned facility that you would have found out if you had clicked on https://www.dgdi.ga/e-visa/ where you would see that the only content is this image https://dgdi.ga/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/loading-page.png that says "page en construction". It doesn't require any French skills to understand what that means. Yet you tried to present it as if Indian citizens may obtain an eVisa for Gabon. But they can't. And the same mistakes were repeated for other countries, and it's not true there were no explanations. I clearly wrote that Armenia does not issue eVisa to Indians and gave a reference to that fact. There are other mistakes like confusing policies for diplomatic/official passports with policy for ordinary passport holders, ignoring new policies by certain countries that now exclude India from visa-free lists, making up policies that don't exist and confusing visa pick up with visa on arrival. Overall your addition was packed with wrong information so it had to be reversed. Sorry.--Twofortnights (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This template is a nightmare. Rather than generating direct permalinks for the appropriate results, it just generates the same generic URL to the search page. So the reflist for this article is just a massive spam of the same URL over and over. When I get some time I'll see if I can come up with a regex to point all these URLs where they are supposed to go. Pariah24 (talk) 04:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an issue to create a template like that, look in the edit history of the template as it already existed. The issue is that IATA is upset with such usage. Although several users argued that their claim is nonsensical they stick to it.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, Tanzania gives 90 days visa on arrival for Indian Citizens, while in this page it has been mentioned 30 days.

Could someone update please?

https://www.kilimanjaroairport.co.tz/index.php/2011-05-02-12-33-35/visa-immigration

Blesson 13:31, 23 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blessonprakash92 (talk • contribs)

As Iran Introduce electronic visa for indians the map colour should be update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1670:8:F762:9504:8442:7841:AD6A (talk) 08:54, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iran begins to offer visa on arrival to Indian citizens from 23rd July 2018. please make the relevant changes after checking www.tehrantimes.com and wwww.financialtribune.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surinamer (talk • contribs) 19:42, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently Turkey has an e-Visa system available to which Indian passport holders are eligible.The following is the link to it. https://www.evisa.gov.tr/en/info/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwork21 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

72 hour free transit visa available for Indian citizens at almaty and astana. Please update. Sorry, I don’t have the skills to do so. Thanks. Easternpedlar (talk) 13:57, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete, its a really helpful section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.200.2 (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It hasn't been deleted - please check the table of contents before you jump to erroneous conclusions. (However, the log of changes is not the primary reason that most readers will come to this article. Most readers will be Indian passport holders and will probably want to glance first at the map and then perhaps check the table(s) underneath for further details of their destination(s) or potential destination(s). Thanks for discussing this! --BushelCandle (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I concur there is no consensus to move, it seems to confuse readers as exhibited above and goes against logic of order for an encyclopedia. Even if it's not the primary reason, Wikipedia is not a travel guide as per

WP:NOTGUIDE so we are free to shape this article to have encyclopedic rather than just trivial quality.--Twofortnights (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply

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You're both very confused. this couple of recent edits just duplicated (but with a poorly worded and formatted) pre-existing section towards the bottom of the article, complete with duplicated heading as a (duplicated) first section.

Now Twofortnights has renamed a so-called 'history' with an earliest entry dating from just one year ago (July 2017) and totally devoid of any historical analysis or perspective whatsoever - just a mere log or list of recent changes - presumably hoping that the cod title will give an aura of academic respectability to his idée fixe that this uninteresting log has a holy right to occupy pole position. --BushelCandle (talk) 20:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am talking about article order here. As for the quality it's debatable, but you yourself claim that not being able to reach perfection shouldn't prevent us from making edits. But I agree the duplication should have been fixed a long time ago, and that the way some of the content was written was rather poor.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

hello there two fortnights. please make changes to reflect the new reality of Angola offering evisa for India and China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surinamer (talk • contribs) 19:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. It is not generally accepted that Angolan visa policy is akin to evisa or visa on arrival policies of other countries.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are relaxed visa requirements, visa on arrival or visa not required e.g. Georgia, Latin America for the NRIs residing in US/UK/Schengen countries. My proposal is to introduce a new section for such cases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.17.146.185 (talk) 08:37, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanna place this here with their respective sources

1. Bostwana - VOA 14days Source: https://www.emirates.com/ae/english/before-you-fly/visa-passport-information/find-visa-requirements-results.aspx?NC=IN&NV=India&DC=BW&DV=Botswana&h=75f982bc927fa72424521b56f8e9a47811c783f

2. Kazakhstan - e-visa Source1: https://www.emirates.com/ae/english/before-you-fly/visa-passport-information/find-visa-requirements-results.aspx?NC=IN&NV=India&DC=KZ&DV=Kazakhstan&h=bcd8fe49987d39879c8a2a1515f17f535996ff

3. Russia e-Visa for Kaliningrad & St Petersburg https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/from-october-1-enter-russia-on-free-e-visa-for-up-to-8-days-from-st-petersburg/articleshow/70305799.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:5045:7100:1D5C:F5E1:EDAD:E890 (talk) 14:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source 2: http://mfa.gov.kz/en/delhi/content-view/information-about-e-visa-of-the-republic-of-kazakhstan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Av8radi (talk • contribs) 21:34, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the UAE colourstill grey? It offers visa on arrival to people who have US or European visas/residence permits.129.127.32.138 (talk) 02:37, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because a visa is required. US, EU or UAE visa, it doesn't matter, a visa is required.--Twofortnights (talk) 17:17, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

el salvador imposed a 1000 usd fee on indians. 2409:4043:6E37:CE15:0:0:F60A:5A0F (talk) 11:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The page for eVisa at Georgian eVisa website says it is not eligible for Indian citizenship. Checked with Bolivian and it allowed to proceed. This is if you do not qualify for a visa waiver. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghwendra123 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, Qatar must be still "Visa Required" for Indians, as Visa on Arrival is provided only when a hotel is booked from "Discover Qatar". If someone visits friends/relatives they will still need visa (either resident of GCC or elsewhere). "Visa Not Required" is misleading - open to view from other experts. Gauravgupta2808 (talk) 05:13, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]