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Exclusion of women in Israel was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 04 January 2012 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Women in Israel. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Text and/or other creative content from this version of Exclusion of women in Israel was copied or moved into Women in Israel with this edit on 23:45, 26 January 2012. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

I'm not sure that this is an accurate depiction of women in Israel. It makes it sound like they have barely made progress and that there are no female MKs. I'll see if I can update this a bit in the next few days. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 19:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As of today, the article has become a poor dumping ground for each news item that seems to deal with women in Israel. Need for cleanup. --Shuki (talk) 02:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The following text was deleted by an editor:

In February 2012, deputy health minister Yaakov Litzman, a Haredi Jew from the Agudat Yisrael party, left a conference on child safety when a schoolgirls' choir took to the stage. His office later issued a statement saying that it is Litzman's practice not to be present when women sing and that no apology was necessary.^[1]

The deletion was justified by the argument that Litzman is just one man, not men. But he is a government minister, and his behaviour carries weight. It is relevant to mention on this page that a government minister behaves in such a way and remains in government. Has anybody got any suggestions? Nescio vos (talk) 13:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was me who removed the passage. I had to remove it twice, once because it was misleadingly synthesized into a section about the military and a subsection about "Orthodox protests" when it didn't have anything at all to do with either. It bore no relation to the military in any way shape or form, and there was nothing in the source that characterized it as a form of protest against anything. The passage was then re-inserted under the subheading "Men's refusal to hear women singing." But it described only the actions of a single man. Bottom line is if an editor is so keen about having the passage part of an article, the only one where it rightly belongs is the Yaakov Litzman article.—Biosketch (talk) 09:44, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So what if a government official announces a policy to walk out of any place where the voices of Muslims are heard? Will he again proudly declare he is above apology and issue statements that in his opinion, "no apology necessary"? If religious disrespect and intolerance is correctly recognized to cross a line, apology necessary, but gender disrespect condoned, is that unrelated to the treatment of Women in Israel? If a government official can announce a policy to walk out anytime women sing, while staying while men sing, is the condoning of that behavior unrelated to the treatment of Women in Israel, whose status is the subject of this article? If Litzman's actions are personal, why is the issuance of a statement issued using governmental resources from the office of the deputy health minister to excuse his discriminatory refusal to hear women's voices in song unrelated to whether Women in Israel enjoy treatment by the government equal to that accorded men?

Not sure if or where this should go in the article, but a recent survey found that Israeli women were ranked 7th on a list of the most beautiful women in the world by country.—Biosketch (talk) 09:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The picture of Mira Awad, an Israeli Arab singer, actress, and songwriter, is very nice, and an explanation of how it relates directly to the topic of the article, which seems to address the status of women in Israel, rather than just to include pictures of various Israeli women. Absent an explanation, the inclusion of the picture appears simply a pleasant promotion of Ms. Awad's career.

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