Talk:Yoga as exercise

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Vinyasa-style or gentle 'hatha'; perhaps we need to find a way to say that as uncontroversially as possible. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:52, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply

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A couple of years ago, the Goat Yoga page was removed, and the title was redirected here, specifically to the Hybrids section. The reason for the deletion was that the content was overly promotional, although the page did contain some slightly useful material - see Goat Yoga History. However, now the word 'goat' doesn't appear here at all, and yet the practice certainly exists in numerous locations. With agreement, I'd suggest adding a brief Goat Yoga discussion here, perhaps in the Hybrids section. Any thoughts? jxm (talk) 18:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's a minor aspect of a minor aspect, one of a long list of hybrids, a list probably impossible to complete (and not worth trying, we are not obliged to say everything). However I see it can be reliably sourced (The Guardian, 2018) so since you feel the matter worth raising I will include a brief mention now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: please explain the removal of the K. Pattabhi Jois and Larry Schultz photo as well as the move up to primary photo of the Bikram Choudhury photo done in this [1] edit. Why are we using a non-notable photo as primary photo? What is the an objection to notable figure's photos on this article? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for discussing, and no need to ping. Firstly, this article is at the head of a tree of some 100 articles on yoga as exercise, so the top photo of the top article is a somewhat remarkable place to begin editing. Secondly, the concept of notability does not really apply to images, on Commons or otherwise. Thirdly, I've already stated that the article is already richly illustrated and does not need additional images, and that the images you mention are already in use in the tree of articles where they are most relevant. As for the use of images of Jois and Choudhury, you may be aware that both men (and several other yoga "gurus") are now effectively disgraced by a combination of legal proof, well-attested allegations, and admissions of responsibility for long-term, widespread, and serious sexual abuse and misuse of their positions of power for their own sexual pleasure at the expense of their pupils and devotees. So (fourthly) there would have to be a very clear consensus to include their images at the head of Wikipedia's tree of articles on yoga (i.e. in this article, anywhere, let alone at its top) when many women and indeed abused men might well find this upsetting, offensive, and inappropriate. Fifthly, and this goes back to the first point, there is no need for the top-level article on yoga as exercise to use images of these particular figures; they were not the founders of modern yoga - of such men, Krishnamacharya is illustrated here, while Yogendra and Kuvalayananda can be found in other articles. In other words, not even all the key figures in creating yoga in the early 20th century are illustrated at this level, to avoid cluttering the article and readers' minds with a mass of detail; second- or third-generation "gurus", far less (even if not in disgrace). Sixthly, many millions of people around the world practice yoga of other brands, or no brand at all ("hatha yoga"), often in small, unglitzy groups in village halls and the like; they would not be represented by images of the leaders of specific brands of yoga, and indeed (is that seventhly) they might feel excluded by the presence, especially so prominently, of such images. The top image was selected to give an impression of yoga as asana practice, in a group, for personal exercise and perhaps other aspects of personal development. I believe it represents as well as any image could the overall impression of the article, and indeed of the subject. In short, there are numerous good reasons for the status quo choice of images in the article, which have been considered carefully, and I think powerful reasons for not inserting the images you propose. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A main purpose of yoga as "exercise" pertains to gaining conscious control over the muscle system. This precedes or works well with the practice of conscious control over chemical changes connected to emotions (both subtle and intense) and the minds creation of thoughts and images. The goal or by-product of yoga as exercise of conscious control over the muscle system should gain mention in the lead paragraph. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

B. C. Ghosh's "Muscle control" was an element among its precursors but there's little evidence that carried forward. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Really? So maybe original, but didn't come from me, I haven't researched the language or concept in the literature. Seemingly as common sense as common sense gets though. Haven't heard of Ghosh (edit: oh, Yogananda's brother. have never read his material so maybe I should take a look), will check the link out, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think it would be appropriate to add the clarifying word "Yoga holidays (vacations)" are offered..." in the holidays sections? As an American English speaker, this section caused a lot of confusion for me, since I initially assumed it was referring to some kind of religious holiday or a "day off" from yoga (like a bank holiday). I'm not arguing to change the article to American English, but would the word "vacation" in parentheses be appropriate as clarification?

Of course, you should be able to figure this out from context clues, but I still found it confusing, and other American English speakers not familiar with the British/Commonwealth terminology might also be confused.

-KaJunl (talk) 14:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to add on to the above. I think I understand what it's talking about now. I'd typically refer to this as a "yoga retreat." Retreat may have other connotations though, beyond just a trip.

-KaJunl (talk) 14:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all words are ambiguous (I thought vacation was a medical procedure... only kidding), and this has given no trouble to anybody for many months; and we certainly can't gloss every usage for every language variant; but this one may perhaps be both helpful and minimally disturbing (if not, we can take it out again). Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding another section for hybrids: Acroyoga - Wikipedia BKTravelingnotes (talk) 19:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, We have a) an article on yoga hybrids, and b) as you say, an article on that particular hybrid, amongst several others. I think that's more than sufficient; the current article is at the top of a (large) tree of articles, and doesn't need to try to say everything that's in the tree, indeed it should not. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:47, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]