Talk:Yupik peoples/Archive 1

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i'm considering getting a yupik audio language course.

i'm trying to learn everything i possibly can about the eskimos.

does anyone on here speak yupik?

Gringo300 19:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Ee! Changachit unamik? [bitchakundedumpkin, asvitduten] Knowmoore 09:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC) (suktu-ya gu-chi-cuchk)

For starters try the Alaska Native Language Center, http://www.uaf.edu/anlc

Imarpik

Is it correct that Imarpik is the Yupik name of the Bering sea? See Talk:Bering Sea. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Why merged ???

Alutiiq people. Would you please look The pages Yup'ik (Central Alaskan Yup'ik language speaking people) and Yupik (Eskimo languages [excluded Inuit languages] speaking peoples). Not merged, not merged, not merged!!! --Kmoksy (talk
) 23:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I've unmerged, and move the articles to more obvious names. ("Yupik" and "Yup'ik" were just too close.) I've tagged it for expert attention, since there may be
WP:content fork issues. Kmoksy, depending on how comfortable you are editing English, you can either straighten this out yourself, or explain here what needs to be done so that each article covers its proper subject. — kwami (talk
) 01:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorting this article out

This article seems to move back and forth between discussing all Yupik peoples and then only the

Central Alaskan Yup'ik people. Since the title is plural, it should probably be expanded and made to consistently cover all Yupik peoples. -Uyvsdi (talk
) 17:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus, not moved. See also discussion at

Talk:Chipewyan people#Requested move (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk
) 03:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

– See notes on Talk:Chipewyan#Requested move. Skookum1 (talk) 09:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

* Yupik peoples → Yupik *

Central Alaskan Yupik people → Central Alaskan Yupik

    • withdrawn both of these because of explanations by Kmosky below

* Klickitat people → Klickitat

*

Entiat tribe → Entiat

* Walla Walla people → Walla Walla

* Walla Walla → Walla Walla (disambiguation)

* Snoqualmie people → Snoqualmie

*

Snohomish tribe → Snohomish

– See notes on Talk:Chipewyan#Requested move. Skookum1 (talk) 09:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The limitations on bulk RMs I coped with as best I could; hundreds of articles are involved, 120 only so far have been posted, and all concern a central titling issue and what should be a convention. And you know what? You claim "several" discussions have been opened, but I've watchlisted every single item now, and do not see "several" but only the main one at
Talk:Chipewyan people, that that would be the place for centralized discussion, but I forgot the common sense is in short supply around Wikipedia, especially on matters of procedure. The procedure that is at question here is how it was that so many articles got changed without discussion, and if the RM process weren't limited by number in such cases....it seems you just want to pick this apart procedurally without actually considering the overall issue....about a group of RMs which need to be addressed collectively......applying separate guidelines to over a hundred similar-topic articles is not workable; especially when the convention/guideline used to change them doesn't even exist except in the claims of the perpetrator.Skookum1 (talk
) 16:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Comment Re this "People have left these kind of notes referencing already closed discussions before" and then proceeded to attack me with "so it is not an obvious conclusion that you want a unified discussion area at that location from this page's rationale" as if I wanted a decentralized discussion, which is absurd. The closed discussions of relevance to this matter are at
Talk:Okanagan people#Requested move. Of the closed ones, all went to the standalone "FOO" form, by the way.Skookum1 (talk
) 16:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't referring to any moves of any of these aboriginal North American articles at all. This happens all over the place, like with album articles, which is the ones I most recently encountered. I can't see why you construed that as an attack. And since two of the other discussions have garnered opinions from people other than myself, I would say it is "several". That people keep posting to more than one of the open discussions after my "procedural oppose"s were lodged indicates that it is not clear where you wanted the discussion to occur. If it were clear where you wanted the unified discussion, there wouldn't be any opinions posted except my procedural opposes. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
You have seen by now, I hope, the addition to the comments, at the top of the comments on each of the ancillary pages (here, Yaquina, Cayuga) that the discussion should be centralized on
WP:BAITing as happens to be the case). Remember, various guidelines of importance apply here, and should be considered here, which have nothing at all to do with the guidelines concerning album titles.Skookum1 (talk
) 14:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Yupik peoples = non-Inuit Eskimos = Siberian Yupik people (Alaska & Russia) + Yup'ik people (of central Alaska, incl. Cup'ik & Cup'ig) + Alutiiq ~ Sugpiaq people of southern Alaska (Kodiak & Chugach).
Inuit peoples = non-Yupik Eskimos = Inupiat people (of northern Alaska) + Inuit people (Eastern & Western Canadian) + Greenlandic people. --Kmoksy (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Are you suggesting that
Inuit language, a title created to replace Inuktitut, this was done against MOSTCOMMON as "Inuktitut" has been an established and regular term within Canadian English for decades now. I note also there is a category Category:Eskimos which is of dubious utility given the derogatory sense of that name and exoynmic origin of that name as perceived by the Inuit et al. (at least in Canada) per the naming convention on indigenous peoples and tribes: ""How the group self-identifies should be considered. If their autonym is commonly used in English, it would be the best article title. Any terms regarded as derogatory by members of the ethnic group in question should be avoided." I'm grateful for the clarification re Yupik/Yup'ik however. I had no idea that the Koniag (as that article was originally, or at least temporarily, titled) and Chugach were Eskimos/Yupik, you learn something new every day (I wish more people around here would). I guess I thought they were Athapaskans...Skookum1 (talk
) 15:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Turns out that
WP:NCLANG....Inuvialuit is what is MOSTCOMMON in Canadian Engish, if "Inuvaliuk" IS heard it would be in reference to an individuals, and a reference to the people as a whole would invariably in "Inuvialuit" in English.....on New Years Day, I remember him doing scads of these while everyone else was not around Wikipedia. When will the madness stop??Skookum1 (talk
) 15:52, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm surprised he didn't to the same to Inuit by making it Inuk people. Relieved is more like it.Skookum1 (talk) 05:59, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Given the "procedural opposition" about the bulk RM it looks like I may better file separate RMs on the above-named articles, likewise on
Slavey people/Slavey language and others, as it's not just "people" articles that have been bulldozed (without any procedure) to archaic/in disfavour terms by that editor's activities.Skookum1 (talk) 04:49, 16 March 2014 (UTC) Skookum1 (talk
) 15:52, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The page Yupik (with people or people-less simply) for all Yupik branch of Eskimos, but Yup'ik (with people or people-less simply) for only Central Alaskan Yup'ik (the apostrophed usage for only this people and language and most common in Alaska). In fact, Central Alaskan Yup'ik [people / language] → Yup'ik [people / language]. The Inuit people (of Canada) = Eastern Canadian Inuit (= Inuvialuk or Inuvialuit, Inuvialuktun-speaking Inuit) + Western Canadian Inuit (= Inuit proper or Inuktitut-speaking Inuit). Alutiiq ~ Sugpiaq (Aleutized Yupiks of southern Alaska) are two main groups: the Western group are Koniag Alutiiq (more) or Koniag Sugpiaq (less) of Kodiak Island and the Eastern group are Chugach Sugpiaq (more) or Chugach Alutiiq (less) of the Kenai Peninsula and Prince William Sound. Chugach are not Athabaskan. Also, Eyak Indians are not Athabaskan and not Eskimo or not Aleut (U.S. Census Bureau: Chugach and Eyak are "Aleut"!). Soon, I'll write Tanana Athabaskans new page. --Kmoksy (talk) 16:35, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Just by homonomy and the usual way that native names often get adapted into English, I'd thought that the
WP:ETHNICGROUPS.Skookum1 (talk
) 03:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, just found out there's a
Tanaina Athabaskans redirect.Skookum1 (talk
) 06:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Hieroglyphics"?

"The Alaskan Yupik and Inupiat are the only Northern indigenous peoples to have developed their own system of hieroglyphics, but this system that died with its creators.[11]"

The cited source doesn't support either of those statements, it tells a very different story. What gives? -- 213.148.146.130 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Ummm... There are no Yupik people in South Central Alaska

Unless they moved there recently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.35.243.35 (talk) 03:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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