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This article appears to duplicate information contained in the main article Zubeen Garg. Any new information would perhaps be best folded into the main article. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a relisting of merge proposal. Merge tags were previously removed by article creator. Article appears to lack sufficient notability for a stand alone article. Suggest merging into Zubeen Garg. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support This isn't really a case of the song list lacking sufficient notability, as that information seems to be as relevant as the various other tables in

WP:NOTPAPER. Thus, a rather weak ambivalent support - a merge won't hurt, but the song table is also sufficiently large that it could stand on its own. If a split is warranted, a better structure might be the main article (general career details) and a separate list of works (not just songs, but also the tables of films). Dl2000 (talk) 04:54, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply

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• Closing Discussion Result was no consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plz add his birth name... His birth name is Jibon Borthakur Raj das (talk) 07:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jubin Borthakur Alankrit Borthakur (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name Jiban borthakur Akshaysaikia91 (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This change will never be made without a citation of a

reliable source being provided that supports it. General Ization ^Talk 03:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply

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@General Ization I have updated it with reliable sources. But some fandom is reverting with non-reliable sources. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 03:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are the one who is changing that by adding unreliable source bloody fool. Discographymen (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Tamzin: and @BusterD: for this behaviour and personal attack. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 09:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add his birth date Alankrit Borthakur (talk) 17:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As per my note at RFPP, the current source for his birthday is weak. A more

reliable one would definitely be helpful, if one can be found. Airplaneman (talk) ✈ 22:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Circular reference

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Missing Albums

A lot of Zubeen's works, especially the early albums are missing. They need to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.204.144.175 (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have you looked at List of songs recorded by Zubeen Garg? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

please change ((Indian)) to ((India))n 98.239.227.65 (talk) 13:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Although the correct formatting is [[India]]n. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:08, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitazg: Though I know you meant well in these edits, the additions you made to the |occupation= and |instrument= parameters of the infobox, as well as the lede, are excessive. The point of the |occupation= parameter is to indicate what he is chiefly known for, not for every job the guy has had. You should ask yourself why we wrote an article about the subject. It's probably not for his screenwriting, but because he is an accomplished musician, singer, producer. It's probably questionable whether he should be indicated as a philanthropist, since that is not his main occupation. Same with |instrument=. Versatile musicians can often play many instruments. Depending on their level and quality of education, it's even possible they can play all manner of instruments: strings, percussion, woodwinds, brass, etc. That doesn't mean we have to list every single one in the infobox and lede. We should only be listing the ones that he is chiefly known for playing. Otherwise, more editors will come by and add xylophone, cuica, harmonica, kazoo, party horn, sports whistle, etc. Keep it general, please so the lede and infobox don't get cluttered with useless details. If you want to indicate the various instruments he's played, then do so in prose somewhere in the body of the article. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Jitazg (talk) 08:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please add philanthropist again because it was from very writen on this page and i have not added philanthropist. It was written 3 years ago. Jitazg (talk) 08:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had added script writer because he wrote the script of his of his own directed films. If we can add film director than we should also add script writer. Thank you Jitazg (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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, which we typically would not consider for a controversial claim, and, it sounds like some exaggeration he made in a fit of anger, like: "I've told you a million times not to lie!" The content, thus, is not adequately supported and just comes off as hyperbole stated in the spur of the moment.

Also, just do the math. If he has been working for 28 years, and has allegedly sung 20,000 songs, that means he sings 714 songs per year, or two songs per day. And what does that mean? Does that mean that he records this many new songs per day/year, (dubious) or just that he sings them, because I would imagine any professional singer (and probably many amateur ones) could make comparable claims if they just practiced for eight minutes each day. Doesn't seem like something that should be in the article until more clarity and better sources develop. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you actually know zubeen garg. I will adding be as many as citation is available . You are thinking i am adding rubbish . You first do a survey in assam and ask people that how many songs have sung by him you will get your answer. Jitazg (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He had sung 36 in a night ( recording).

And sings around 7-10 songs per day Jitazg (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you are right he sings around 700-800 per year. Jitazg (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And the citation i had added was 3 years old information Jitazg (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitazg: Let me answer your first question first: Do I know Zubeen Garg? No, I don't. Do you? Is he a friend of yours? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No not as a friend as a leader i am in his fan club , i got the privilege to talk to him , and met him many times Jitazg (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then you very well could have a

WP:RS, sorry. And again, without proper context, no reader could possibly understand what you mean by "he has sung 16,000 songs". If we mean that he has recorded that man, then that potentially could be included in the article provided that it was properly sourced (which so far it has not been). Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Yes he has recorded 16k songs in his 28 year career and i had added YouTube video this time but you removed. Jitazg (talk) 21:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And i didn't add anything thing which don't have any proper reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1) Please indent your responses the way that I am doing. 2) You don't need to sign every line. If you write a response, then want to add something to it, so long as nobody has responded, just add to it. 3) As I clearly explained, I removed the YouTube source as it is a potential copyright violation, which means that it is not adequately sourced. Not to mention that there is no assumption that "Sirf Sach" is a reliable mainstream source. So yes, you added content that you did not properly attribute to reliable sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"sirf sach" is a reliable source. Jitazg (talk) 22:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prove it. I don't see it at

WP:ICTFSOURCES and there are zero hits at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, so nobody's ever discussed it. And please indent your responses properly. I'm not required to clean up after you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Real name

@Cyphoidbomb: Sir this FB account from which this source comes that supports the subjects real name in this article (used in the infobox) seems to be an unverified account. Will it be logical to use it? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk: Definitely should not be used. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: OK, I'll remove the source, put a CN tag. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Fb account is of Zubeen Garg's wife. Jitazg (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitazg: Please indent your replies like you've been asked to do before. Unverified Facebook accounts are not useful as references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What more verification you than the wife of Zubeen Garg? Jitazg (talk) 10:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitazg: Anybody can add a few pictures of Mr. and Mrs. Garg and make a FB account. What we need is a verified account, that is with a small blue tick mark near the account name. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zubeen is a celebrity not her wife how can she get verified account? Jitazg (talk) 14:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to answer any more questions if you're not going to bother formatting your replies like a normal editor should be doing. Other people shouldn't have to clean up after you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Real name debate should be closed as I have updated it with reliable sources. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 15:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You updated with unreliable sources Discographymen (talk) 09:15, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Below, you can find some comments which I've written. I've collapsed them, for now, because there are one or more higher-priority matters which I'd like to discuss first. If you wish to reply to a collapsed comment of mine, you may do so. But, if you do, preferably please move the thread out of the collapse box.)

Thank you! —Unforgettableid (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all!

A.)

In this edit, I trimmed Garg's list of occupations, both in the lead sentence and in the infobox.

The old lead sentence was: "Garg ... is an Indian singer, music director, composer, lyricist, music producer, film director, film producer, actor and philanthropist."

My new lead sentence was: "Garg ... is an Indian singer."

I summarized my rationale in my edit summary. I wrote:

Simplifying lead sentence per

MOS:ROLEBIO

, which says that the lead sentence "should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources". It should not be overloaded "with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable".

B.)

I also made six other edits.

C.)

Jitazg, you reverted all seven of my edits in one unexplained edit. (Diff.).

D.)

I restored my seven edits, explaining my rationale. (Diff.)

E.)

Jitazg, you again reverted all of my work in one unexplained edit. (Diff.)

F.)

We need not discuss all seven of my edits now; it might be too complicated to discuss seven edits in one discussion. For now, maybe let's simply seek consensus regarding the list of occupations.

Dear Jitazg, dear Cyphoidbomb, and dear all:

Do you prefer the old, long list of occupations? And, if so, why? Or do you prefer the new occupation description ("Indian singer" only), because that is what

seems to favor?

G.)

I await your replies!

Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 10:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@unforgettableid Sir would prefer the old long occupation list because he has done this all and i think we should give him that credit what he has contributed and he deserves it . Thank you. Jitazg (talk) 12:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitazg: Edits like this just underscore why you may not be able to edit objectively with regard to Zubeen Garg.

1. "Garg is considered as one of the most talented and versatile artiste" is an opinion based on a singular source, not a fact. One opinion doesn't necessarily mean that most people think what that one person thinks, right?
2. And, the world is a big place, so just because one person thinks that Garg is the "most talented and versatile artiste" doesn't mean that the entirety of the world thinks that.
3. We don't want to give undue weight to one opinion, you know?
4. You chose a blog for the content, apparently unaware that we don't care what blogs think. You should read
   WP:RS
   .

Maybe instead of trying to find more and more flattering things to say about Garg, you could be objective and find some criticism of the subject to share, so that the article doesn't reek of fanclub drool? Is that possible? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Zubeen Garg live in 2019.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 00:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitazg:, the recurring theme of your edits seems to centre around puffing up Garg in any way you can. In these edits, a few problems:

1. You fail to indicate to this English Wikpedia what "Luit Kontho" means.
2. You add "Luit Kontho" to the |alias= parameter of the infobox. Is it a name? Or is it a title? You call it a title in your edit summary. If it's a title, then it's not an alias.
3. The content is poorly-sourced, and you seem to think that four poor references equals one good one. Not accurate. You need to quickly familiarise yourself with our
   reliable sourcing guidelines, which I've already mentioned to you. Faceless websites like this where you have incoherent articles written by "a correspondent" do not meet these guidelines. Nor does a faceless website like this
   . Note also that we do not link to potential copyright violations, so the YouTube video you used as a reference would be unsuitable.
4. Per
   WP:FILMCRITICLIST
   , we typically don't care about awards unless they are notable awards, and notability is typically demonstrated when an award has an existing Wikipedia article that has endured sufficient community scrutiny. This detail is important for the reasons listed below:
5. In your haste to puff up Garg, you seem to be dazzled by the fact that the Governor of Assam was involved in this ceremony, instead of paying attention to the details. Based on the G-Plus Facebook post, we learn that this "honour" was part of the first-annual Maya Media Awards ceremony. (Second annual was in 2019) How could this be a notable award organisation? It was brand new. And here, the entity says that they issued the award. You seem to think that because Purohit handed him a statue, that suddenly equates to Garg receiving a revered state-issued award. That is totally unsubstantiated, and the statement "Zubeen has received the title 'Luit Kontho' from the governor of Assam" is a selective misinterpretation of the facts made to sound like Garg is equivalent to a Lord of the British Empire. It's just another fly-by-night Indian award mill trying to make a few rupees giving awards out, and they got Purohit to participate. Big deal.

If you can't be more discriminating about stuff like this, you're going to leave me with no alternative but to ask that you are restricted from editing subjects related to Garg. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:06, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A person continuously adding incorrect information about Garg's National award nominations. National awards don't have any official nominations. So please don't add wrong information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:21B:59E2:0:0:1DAB:A5 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not saying all sources are reliable but he/she was deliberately trying to put that his birth name is jibon borthakur and removing the reliable sources from there and adding up his sources. Discographymen (talk) 09:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So you want to say that local 2 newspaper which carries interview and a website(non-notable), are more reliable than 3 National newspaper and a Book? You are not even seeing the page's history where your edits are tagged as (Tags: Manual revert Reverted Visual edit Mobile edit Mobile web edit use of deprecated (unreliable) source. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 09:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also the fact that the two national newspaper (Indian Express and News18) sources are older, that is less likely to be

WP:CIRCULAR. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:48, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Old dated news doesn't fail verifiability. The same claim is also cited by a newly published Book. Moreover, PTI (Press Trust of India) is reputed and reliable news agency. There are more new citations (in Assamese language), which also support the same. For example this (page no 110). I haven't cited non-English sources, cited English only and as per Wiki standard sourcing. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 12:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and the newer sources are more likely to copy content from revisions of this article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of Assamese language books where his origin name is mentioned, but those books are suitable for citations in here as Assamese language books rarely have ISBN. Moreover, his real name is not so important for the media, so just 2 National newspapers and a book (author is well known author), counting 3 refs are enough than some local news portals which doesn't have any authorship.

Further to mention, till 1994 the birth certificate was not mandatory. Those who born before 1994, don't have any birth certificate, and many Assamese people changed their name in school level (at 10 or 12 exam registration).

And mistakes in names' spelling are too common in Assam, I opine that, as my name is also misspelled in all exam certificates. I had to correct mine and my father's name spelling in Permanent account number with years of hassle to get my passport. If you notice, the spelling mistake is even too common in Indian media. Probably, I'm not sure, Jibon Barthakur changed his name in his PAN as in India, the PAN was not mandatory till 2004. The singer is notable, but too much controversial as per this and this. A controversy section should be added as he is convicted in child attack case. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 14:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And this news can't be considered as a reliable source as it has a major misleading information "In 2006, at the age of 31 years, Zubeen got his first big break in bollywood cinema with the movie "Gangster" for his record breaking hit bollywood song "Ya Ali".". A person born in 1972 and in 2006 his age can't be 31.

This is a permanent dead link(no web archive) and a blog as itself mentioned here. A blog can't be a source at all.

Now, the consensus should obviously go to the 2 National newspapers and the Book citation. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 14:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also retrieved one more source to support the birth name. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 14:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CONSENSUS ABOUT BIRTH NAME DISPUTE

(Should be based on reliable, independent sources, not on primary sources as per

)
(Any statement without any reliable and independent source will be considered as mooted.)
(Zubeen Garg's wife's Facebook post is not reliable as it is PRIMARY, and she hasn't produced his the then birth certificate as proof. Further to be mentioned, the name on the PAN card doesn't confirm the birth name as known to all.)
Use * before your statement and use The word "Statement" in bold letters, comments should be in Ident. Duplicate Statement will be redacted.

My statement: The following supported that the subject person's birth name is Jibon Barthakur:
1] Book: Page 62 of this book Roy, Anupama (2022). Citizenship Regimes, Law, and Belonging : The CAA and the NRC (1st ed.). Oxford. p. 62.

).
2] Journal: at Page 49 of this journal Roy, Anupama (2016). "Ambivalence of Citizenship in Assam". Economic and Political Weekly. 51 (26/27): 45–51. .
3]
4] News18 news: https://www.news18.com/news/music/singer-zubeen-garg-provided-security-after-ulfa-threat-604629.html
5] Oneindia Profile
6] Further a local magazine (Zubeen Garg) special edition's page no 110 also supports the same claim which can be found online here.
7] Another local source found here, which was added probably between 2014-2015, also supports the same claim.

Conclusion of the statement: A total of 7 Sources claim that his birth name is Jibon Barthakur.

Pinging @Fylindfotberserk: as the idea was inherited by them.
Regards _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 07:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First of all this time i gave the proper source. His real name confirmed by his wife garima garg saikia on her Facebook post and her account is verified also. So according to you who can prove his real name is those media who doesn't evrn know him or his wife? Discographymen (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:RS first before you edit anything.
Learn Wikipedia, as learning is always good.
Regards- _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 08:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply

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WP:ABOUTSELF, if Zubeen Garg himself declared the same. But his wife's claim, without any proof which she promised but never shown for verification, is not acceptable as new sources (as I mentioned) also don't support your claim. Moreover, about the local media's claim, your cited media doesn't even have an author name who can take the responsibility for the news as per journalism ethics. I see that it's wasting of time discussing with you as you have not learnt anything about Wikipedia yet, even after showing you the guidelines for citing sources to support a claim. Let others handle your vague discussion. I'm tired enough. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 09:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply

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I don't have any problem with following rules or its not like i don't want to follow the thing is there should be a logic behind it. For example if Garg himself or his family would not disclose about his age, name, personal life than how even a national media would have got the information. My point is national media also makes mistakes by publishing wrong information and local media published article doesn't mean it will publish wrong information. Like this https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/singer-zubeen-garg-rushed-to-hospital-after-collapsing-sustains-head-injury/articleshow/93021142.cms

Where his age is being said to be 52 years but his age is 49. That is a point that you also mentioned above on a local media that his age is being wrongly mentioned. So what would you say About this thing?

And obviously if his wife says that what his real mane is much more reliable than a national media because national media only gets information of his personal life through his family or himself. Also the articles you cited were of 2013 and if you see Garg's wife fb post thats also from 2013 where she called out the media for wrongly mentioning his real name to make a controversy out of it and i can surely say that the article which said his real name is jibon borthakur took that information from a local media. Discographymen (talk) 09:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://theprint.in/india/assams-popular-singer-zubeen-garg-in-hospital/1047453/

https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/entertainment/singer-zubeen-garg-airlifted-to-guwahati-after-head-injury-414153

These national level reputed news portal are also doing the same misinformation of 52 years old. Discographymen (talk) 09:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes as you said i read the Shahid Afridi article and there was mentioned that his clarified later for misinformation but here the situation is different here Garg's wife said that after being annoyed by the media who constantly repeating the wrong birth name of Garg that's why she clarified that his real name is Zubeen Borthakur. Till any other claim or clarification come from his family or himself in future we should stick to this claim. Discographymen (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One who doesn't know how to take part in discussion, should read the first statements carefully and should stop

WP:DISRUPTIVE _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 10:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply

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@NeverTry4Me and Discographymen: It is important to note the difference between 'birthname' and 'official name'. It is very much possible that Mr. Garg was given the name 'Jibon' at birth, which was officially changed to 'Zubeen' later. These two sources → [1] [2], specifically mention that Jibon is his birth-name. If Zubeen in the changed name then it should be mentioned and sourced accordingly. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk birth name has evidence, but the changing birth name has no evidence. Hence, we must skip the birth name or with a circa or nothing. _-✍ NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 23:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:CIRCULAR). If the birth_name is so much important then the subject may approach OTRS with official/legal documents (I've experiences with atleast two such cases). - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply

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WP:COMMONSENSE, in his birth year 1972, Zubin Mehta was not so iconic (as per his career) that someone would be inspired. Hence, let's welcome the subject person's parents with his valid school certificate as at that time there was no birth certificate. _-✍ NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 09:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply

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https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blink/cover/dont-mess-with-assam-zubeen-garg/article30404699.ece

Here its about how his name became Zubeen Garg. Discographymen (talk) 10:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://newslivetv.com/zubeen-garg-turns-50-fans-shower-him-with-birthday-wishes/

• Here his age is written 50 because that time there was an issue of birth year of garg in the Wikipedia article. Discographymen (talk) 10:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speech about zubeen Garg in English 2409:4065:49D:55EC:0:0:43F:E8A5 (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]