Template:Did you know nominations/Filibus

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Filibus

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Filibus

... ~~that~~ ~~sky pirate (pictured), is one of only two surviving films from its studio?~~ Source: Cineteca di Bologna 1997

ALT1:... that lesbian characters in cinema? Source: Dortmond Cologne International Women's Film Festival 2013, Yugoslav Film Archive 2016

Reviewed: Edward William Purvis

Created by Lemuellio (talk). Self-nominated at 14:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

Length, date, hooks (both original and ALT1) checks out. Close paraphrase not found. QPQ done. Image on Commons. Italian-language refs accepted AGF. Interesting piece. --Soman (talk) 03:25, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Fram (talk
) 12:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

[Comment:] When it comes to ALT1, the first source states that the character is "probably one of the first lesbian characters in the history of film." This isn't very strong, and I'd argue not an "expert opinion". I'm not able to read the second source, and can't say much about it. Another possible Alt hook may be "
genderfluidity and mystic aspects," though I have difficulty translating this source as well. A request for input has been put at the LGBT WikiProject, so I hope to see more input soon. However, a non-LGBT-related DYK is probably still possible, like "The 1915 film character Filibus was likely inspired by Fantômas, but she also strongly resembles Arsène Lupin." Both of these are just rough ideas, though. ~Mable (chat
) 11:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

(ALT2): ... that the 1915 film character Filibus was likely inspired by Fantômas, but she also strongly resembles Arsène Lupin?

I have added Maplestrip's suggestion as ALT2. In a discussion at
WT:DYK#Pulled from Prep 1: Filibus, EEng
has proposed another alternative hook, which I am labelling ALT1a as it is really a variant on that proposal:

(ALT1a): ... that Filibus (1915) was "probably one of the first lesbian characters in the history of film"?

I request for input from the LGBT WikiProject with concerns that DYK not mis-handle issues of genderfluidity, but EEng's suggestion is the only one that has emerged and no concerns have been raised. I have edited the Filibus article adding referencing and support so cannot give a tick, thus I call for a new reviewer, but can offer other potential hooks:

(ALT3): ... that the 1915 film Filibus has been praised for having as a protagonist a "bad girl" lesbian who was an "elegant and elusive woman pirate" and a "champion" of transgenderism?

(ALT4): ... that the 1915 film Dr Hyde
" (sic) side terrorising Sicily while disguised as a man?

Fram, who found the original problem. EdChem (talk
) 01:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Why the (sic) in ALT4? E Eng 01:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
@
Hyde-side ..." EdChem (talk
) 01:37, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Facepalm Carry on. E Eng 02:38, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Striking 4, adding 4a in light of what I think is an objection from EEng. EdChem (talk) 03:44, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

(ALT4a): ... that the 1915 film Hyde
-side which terrorises Sicily in male disguise?

Well, I wasn't objecting, just embarrassed at my own denseness. I had an idea along the lines of 4a, but was too lazy to mention it. I've made ~~a small change~~ some changes which I hope you'll like. E Eng 04:40, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
It's a nice reminder of how easily written words can be misinterpreted, I read the facepalm as a comment on me, so it's good to learn I was misreading. :) I am comfortable with your edited 4a, it is tighter. Thanks. EdChem (talk) 04:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Media Portrayal of Lesbianism seems to make clear that a silent film would have been among the first and there's no claim being made that it was the first; "has been called" is sourced and means we don't have to worry about viewers who say it didn't spell everything out on screen. I'll leave a note for the nominator and EdChem, who's apparently stewarding the nomination, to see if they'd like to remove the extraneous links from the hook. They're only going to siphon off your views... — LlywelynII
16:01, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

LlywelynII, the image in this nomination is a crop of the image in the article's infobox; cropped versions of images in articles satisfy the DYK requirement that the nominated image be in the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:06, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

My preference is ALT4a, but it is ultimately up to the reviewer. I don't see which links should be removed in the proposals, nor am I sure what else is needed for this nomination to proceed. EdChem (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

With respect, ALT4a is currently a trainwreck. Inter alia, it's about the opinion of a single reviewer from some time in the film's century-long lifespan, which fails the hook requirements w/r/t bias and being even moderately interesting. It could be reworked into something that would still be less interesting than WWI sky-pirate lesbians. If the image is fine and the shepherd and writer don't want to remove the extra links from the hook, then this is G2G with ALT1. — LlywelynII 04:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Shame she's not a WWI sky-pirate lesbian vegan, because that would really comport with the modern zeitgeist. E Eng 04:35, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, Llywelyn! I'd suggest keeping the other links, simply because that's more common on DYK than a single-linked hook, but it's not a big deal to me either way. Let's go with ALT1, then!--Lemuellio (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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