Template:Did you know nominations/Gorkha Bridge

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Gorkha Bridge

Gorkha Bridge

• ... that Nepal's first cantilever bridge was constructed in 2016? Source: "Construction of Cantilever Pathway Re-opens". SpotlightNepal.

• Reviewed: Park Row Building

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 06:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC).

• No it is not the first one. The most likely first one is in the upstream area of Upper Tamakoshi Hydropower Project (but there is no media coverage for this).nirmal (talk) 02:18, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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11:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n
• Other problems: - n

Overall: The prose needs some minor copyediting, though it is "okay." I would verify the location of the bridge. --evrik ^(talk) 03:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

• Alt1 ... that construction of the 195 m (640 ft) Gorkha Bridge in Nepal, reconnected seven remote villages and reestablished a portion of a popular hiking trail? [1]
• Someone please review the new hook. --evrik ^(talk) 03:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
  • The specific claim of 7 villages is from the Kathmandu Post source. I have edited the article to reflect this. However, there seems to be other issues. I'm not seeing the order of the two bridges constructed being discussed in the Kathmandu Post source cited. CMD (talk) 15:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
    • The bridge order is discussed here. --evrik ^(talk) 21:23, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Thanks evrik. Since the creator has not replied here, would you want to take over and do a bit more copyediting and perhaps add a bit more information from the existing sources? I like your ALT1, but perhaps it could be modified to indicate why reconnection was needed? I think that sort of info might add further hookiness (can drop hiking trail bit if it gets too long). CMD (talk) 07:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• This is a review of the hooks only, AGF previous reviewers on other aspects. I've struck the original hook. It clearly isn't true. This book, published in 1952, refers to wooden cantilever bridges in numerous places. The source does not actually say this was the first cantilever bridge. It says it is the "first of its kind". That could mean "cantilever bridge", or it could mean "steel cantilever bridge", or "really long cantilever bridge", or, most likely, it could just be unresearched PR fluff. On ALT1, the cited source mentions the Manashu trekking trail, but it does not say it is a popular trail. SpinningSpark 08:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Spinningspark: Thank you for your help. I added a link to the trail, and a sentence. I also added a source. --evrik ^(talk) 14:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• AGF on new offline source. Good to go with ALT1. SpinningSpark 21:50, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Unpromoted per issues raised at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 7 Gorkha Bridge. SL93 (talk) 15:04, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

"Template:Did you know nominations/Gorkha Bridge" should not have been approved or promoted. The article still has issues with copyediting and source fidelity. @Evrik, Spinningspark, and SL93:@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: CMD (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

• Source fidelity? --evrik ^(talk) 04:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
  • The text is not supported by its inline citations. There was the example I mentioned and fixed, and I just went to check the current article and the first thing I looked at was the claim of a 50 year lifespan, which is not in the source cited. CMD (talk) 04:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
    • The fifty year fact is from here: "Cantilever bridge built in upper Gorkha". The Kathmandu Post. Archived from the original on 25 July 2020. Retrieved 24 July 2020.

The two paragraphs in the body of this work have seven sources. I think this article is okay. --evrik ^(talk) 04:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I promoted it because I was going to complete a copy edit afterwords, which is now completed. I will let others discuss the sources. SL93 (talk) 04:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I think I fixed the sourcing issues. Everything is in the provided sources, but some of them were put in incorrectly. SL93 (talk) 05:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I know the fact exists, the problem is it wasn't in the source cited. The simple existence of sources doesn't qualify as good inline citation. CMD (talk) 05:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

• Driveby comment: I personally do not find the hook that interesting but am unsure if that is a major concern at this stage. :/ I mean restoring a popular trail is normal but reconnecting seven villages may be notable I suppose. However, I find that being built by Swiss engineers and local residents and by drilling into a cliff is more interesting. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Chipmunkdavis Ignoring the interesting issue which I don't think is actually an issue, is the sourcing issue considered to be taken care of now? SL93 (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
    • One of the sources for this article, which was created in July 2020, says it was accessed in January 2013. None of the 3 sources cited say the project costs 6.1 million (although one mentions this figure as a wage, which I assume is how it got onto the page). The next sentence of the article gives an entirely different figure, which is supported by one of the two sources it is sourced to, the other one giving a slightly different figure. (Other sources give different figures again, which is not reflected anywhere in the article.) The article attributes a quote to the District Development Committee when that may simply be the wording of the news article writer. The article cited for Chumchet doesn't mention Chumchet, and the Chumchet Wikipedia article says it is a village in the valley, which is the opposite of what the article suggests. There is some very close paraphrasing, and a clear need for more copyediting.
    • Why is there a push to get this through? The original nominator has not commented on the page at all since nomination. Please pull it from the queue until its issues are properly addressed. CMD (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Chipmunkdavis If my intention was just to push the nomination through, I would have never asked for your response. I was planning on pulling it depending on your response. It is pulled now. SL93 (talk) 15:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
        • Apologies SL93, I was not directing it at you. It was just a bit frustrating that after I pointed out issues in the nomination page it somehow seemed to gain a momentum of its own and made it quickly to approval and then prep without the issues being addressed or the nominators invovlement. CMD (talk) 15:11, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
          • Chipmunkdavis I can understand that. I was confused too with the comments given by Evrik and SpinningSpark when I promoted the hook. SL93 (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
            • Really don't know what to say here. The bulk of the article consists of 16 sentences in two paragraphs. There are seven citations across those two paragraphs. It looks good to me. --evrik ^(talk) 00:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
              • Evrik, have you read the comments in this discussion? The number of sources an article has is irrelevant if they don't actually verify the content of the article. 97198 (talk) 13:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
                • Every fact is sourced. --evrik ^(talk) 14:10, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

It would be nice to hear from the nominator on the DYK nomination. I let them know that I reopened the nomination. SL93 (talk) 19:07, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• @SL93, Chipmunkdavis, and CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I moved the discussion here. --evrik ^(talk) 21:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
• Alt2 ... that the Gorkha Bridge in Nepal was constructed by engineers from Switzerland and with help of 400 local residents? The Kathmandu Post Nepali Times
• Alt3 ... that the Gorkha Bridge was constructed after the April 2015 Nepal earthquake triggered a river to shift its course?
• Alt4 ... that to build a cantilever bridge in Nepal the materials were delivered by a helicopter?
• @SL93, Chipmunkdavis, and Evrik: Maybe these could work? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 11:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: The issue is not the hooks, it's whether the citations match the information in the sentences. --evrik ^(talk) 16:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• Someone please review this article again. --evrik ^(talk) 16:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment: Added evrik to DYK credit given their substantial work on the article. Suggest if this image is used that a more zoomed in crop is developed. CMD (talk) 02:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

• Approving Alt2 and Alt3, and Alt1 is already approved. The article seems correctly referenced to me. Relying on previous reviewers for other DYK checks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)