Template:Did you know nominations/Mackay Davashe

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The result was: promoted by Evrik (talk) 01:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Mackay Davashe

• ... that Mackay Davashe wrote "Lakutshona Ilanga", the English version of which, sung by Miriam Makeba, became the first South African piece to chart on the Billboard Hot 100? Source: Jolaosho 2021, Jaggi 2000, cited in article.
  • ALT1: ... that Mackay Davashe wrote "Lakutshona Ilanga", the English version of which became the first South African piece to chart on the Billboard Hot 100? Source: Jolaosho 2021, Jaggi 2000, cited in article.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Van Horn
  • Comment: Adding alt in case original is deemed too complicated, but I prefer ALT0.

Moved to mainspace by Vanamonde93 (talk). Expanded by Graham87 (talk) Self-nominated at 22:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mackay Davashe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• will take this; give me a moment to access the source cited for the hook. and mind, billboard should be italicised because it's the name of a magazine
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  " 07:57, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

• Cited:
• Interesting: - needs workshopping

Overall:

• I'm okay dumping the title, I'm hesitant about "co-wrote" as I think it's verging on OR; the translator was someone else, and who knows how little or much work Davashe put into it. I also don't want to say "chart in the US", because while that's likely true, it is a guess; there are charts besides the billboard one...ALT2 below is at 138 characters (I believe); what do you think? Vanamonde (Talk) 17:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

  • ALT2: ... that the first South African piece to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 was an English translation of a Xhosa song written by Mackay Davashe? Source: Jolaosho 2021, Jaggi 2000, cited in article.

Readers should not be expected to be familiar with the Hot 100. Naming it, like naming the song, adds layers of complexity that dilutes the wow factor of the hook. Simplifying things to "chart in the US" makes sense metonymically. The Hot 100 is the US's standard chart for songs, with no other major competitor around; I really doubt anyone else apart from BB was compiling charts in the 50s, so clarifying that it charted in the Hot 100 as opposed to ... i don't know ... iTunes? ... seems unnecessary.

• I recognize that, but it is what the source says. Is it really a deal-breaker for you? It seems to me the hook is marginally dryer, but not enough to be disqualifying. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed . it was a mere suggestion for you to improve on your hook, but this shouldn't be enough for me to reject. I suppose i'll leave it up to the promoters to decide which hook they prefer .

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  " 02:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you. I recognize your suggestion is hookier, I don't love the tradeoff with respect to verifiability. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)