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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 03:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Myanmar Photo Archive

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Hand-coloured studio portrait of a woman in Burma, ca. 1910
Hand-coloured studio portrait of a woman in Burma, ca. 1910

Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Myanmar Photo Archive; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • The article was nominated within a week of creation, so is new enough. It is more than long enough. In-line citations are properly used throughout the article and the only things the copyvio detector brings up are the quotes, which are fine. All of the hooks are good and are cited in-line. Not sure which one is the best, I like ALT2, but perhaps it's too coy? Either way, they're all good. The QPQ has been done. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 03:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
    • As noted on the talk page, I have tagged the article for over-quotations and close paraphrasing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:50, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
      • As noted on the talk page, I have deleted several quotations and considerably improved the section avoiding close paraphrasing. IMHO, this has resolved the flagged isssues, and I have deleted the hatnotes. Munfarid1 (talk) 17:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I don't know why this was lingering for so long, but I do not believe it's ready yet for the front page. I have made all kinds of smaller edits--for promotional tone, incomplete/incorrect citation templates, excessive quoting, an example of basically copying source text. I think this needs another good editing turn by the author (Munfarid1) and then a final check. Also, and I'm sorry to say this, I don't like any of the proposed hooks. The first is almost trivial, the second is very precise but I don't see how it generates interest, and the third is kind of vague. Surely there's more to do with this material; maybe pull something out of the Reception section. But first there's just more cleanup to do. Drmies (talk) 22:34, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
    • I have just added ALT3 and ALT4 and hope one of these will catch readers' attention. After you, Drmies, have improved several issues after your comments here, and I have also changed the date formats as you advised, I don't know, which issues might be still stand in the way for this DYK nomination to be published. (For more comments, see Talk:Myanmar_Photo_Archive) Munfarid1 (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Just dropping by to propose yet another hook:
        Hand-coloured studio portrait of a woman in Burma, ca. 1910
        • ALT5: ... that Myanmar Photo Archive (example photo pictured) revealed "a side of modern Myanmar that, until very recently, remained hidden in dusty attics"?
      Not sure if the article itself is ready, but at a glance it doesn't read very promotional (anymore).
      Btw, I would suggest running with a picture because this article really lends itself to a pic nom. See attached for an example, but imo really any of the three old photographs would do fine. –LordPeterII (talk) 10:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
      • LordPeterII Thanks for your new hook and the suggestion of a picture. The one you have added here could certainly serve well. And after thorough revision by three editors, this nomination has been reviewed by Netherzone (talk) Munfarid1 (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
        • Munfarid1, as nominator, you are not allowed to pass this yourself (and no one but the promoter should be editing above the Please do not edit above this line unless you are a DYK volunteer who is closing the discussion line). Should Netherzone wish to review the nomination, they need to post here themselves with an actual review under their own signature. Since there already was an ALT4, I've renumbered LordPeterII's suggestion as ALT5. This nom does need a new review; Drmies, are you too involved after your edits, or might you be able to do a final review? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
          • BlueMoonset, I think you are doing the same thing that I was getting at: this DYK on an important topic was languishing. I'm still having a hard time with it, though: The "Photo-books" section describes the various publications, but does so with links to the publisher/website that sells them, and that's not OK. There is an article cited at the end of that section, which might could verify in a neutral way--but that link isn't opening. Munfarid1, that content needs independent secondary sourcing, not links to sellers. So no, I'm not ready to let this one go through, not yet. Drmies (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
          • BlueMoonset, I reviewed it as a new article as part of NPP, but I did not review it as a DYK, because I worked on it quite a bit. I think someone else should do the reviewing. I agree with Drmies that the publications should not be sourced to book sales sites, and that independent sourcing is best practice. I also think that ALT 5 is the most interesting. And I agree about using the photo. Netherzone (talk) 17:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
            • I agree with Netherzone on the hook and the photo. The photo is wonderful. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
              • Sorry this has been causing so much work. I have just added the archived link to the source at the end of the Photo-books section and deleted the former links to the publisher. In any case, we have the ISBN in the section for these publications as a source that these books really exist. - The source from Myanmar Times reads: "MPA also started a publishing house with already five titles on its list. [...] All the five books can be purchased [...] in Yangon and online." - I sincerely hope this has been a correct way of handling this problem and will clear the way for releasing it on DYK. Munfarid1 (talk) 17:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
@Silver seren: As the original reviewer, can you ensure that all concerns that been addressed and that this is ready to go? If not, can you outline what needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Sure? I didn't really consider the quotes to be a big deal in the first place, but the article does look tidier now. And the additional Alt5 hook is properly sourced in the article, so that one is good as well. I don't think there's any other noted issues? SilverserenC 21:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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