Template:Did you know nominations/Oriam

• ok works for me. hook faithful to source and good to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Cape Wickham Links

Created by Drchriswilliams (talk). Self-nominated at 10:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC).

• age and size ok, I can't see the ref that sizes the pitch to Hampden Park. That is the most interesting hook. I am not enthusiastic about the ALT2 or 3. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:56, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Casliber: I have swapped some of the references around, now should match the claims for the first hook and ALT1. Drchriswilliams (talk) 14:12, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

• ok then. good to go. QPQ done and Earwig's copyvio clear. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Casliber and Drchriswilliams: I am not happy promoting this. The ALT0 hook states "Europe's largest indoor football pitch" while the article states "indoor synthetic 3G pitch which is the largest of its type in Europe". These are not the same thing, and trying to access the source fails. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Cwmhiraeth: The Johnston Press websites (including Scotsman and Edinburgh Evening News) have been down since yesterday but I expect this will only be a temporary problem. The website for Oriam [1] and a press release in September from the company that make the pitch [2] both claim that it is the largest indoor in Europe. Drchriswilliams (talk) 07:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Both of these sources are hardly independent, and the Oriam one actually states it is "the biggest facility of its type in Europe", so, what do they mean by "type"? I am quibbling here because another editor will probably be looking at this hook and trying to disprove the claim by finding information on the existence of another, larger indoor pitch elsewhere. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Cwmhiraeth: I didn't use those sources as a starting point, but I did wonder if they could help us interpret some of the various claims around size. The Johnston Press websites are now up and running again. I don't mind attempts to trying to get the detail right. In February 2016, during construction, the chief exec was quoted describing it as "the biggest indoor training space in Britain and might be in Europe" [3]. On 21 August, now almost ready to open, the Scotsman describes it as the "tallest in Europe" [4] The Herald article published the same day has a quote that compares it to St George's Park in England, saying Oriam is bigger and taller.[5] There are various descriptions that were printed in articles written by journalists. "Europe’s biggest indoor 3G football facility" EEN on 25 August Brian Donnelly of the Herald described it as "Europe's biggest indoor football facility" on 3 September. [6] The architects say "largest facility of its type in Europe." [7] Drchriswilliams (talk) 20:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• It all sounds like a bit of a minefield to me. What about your other proposed hook fact? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• ALT4 ... that the curve of the roof of Oriam, Scotland's new national sports training centre, was inspired by the goal by Roberto Carlos that "defied physics"?

• That's more refined than my original suggestions and avoids the minefield of the various "biggest" claims. I'd be happy with ALT4. Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• for both ALT3 or ALT4. Happy for promoter to choose which sounds better. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

• Note: striking other remaining hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2016 (UTC)