Template:Did you know nominations/Parkala Massacre

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Parkala Massacre

• ... that Indian Prime minister
  Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh of the south"? Source: "Referred to as ‘Jallianwala Bagh’ of the south by former prime minister P V Narasimha Rao, thousands of Telanganites had sacrificed their lives at the altar of this struggle for the liberation of the region."([1]
  )

• • ALT1:... that a memorial to the
    Parkala Massacre has been used as a platform by the Bharatiya Janata Party to demand that the state government recognize September 17 as "Liberation Day" of Telangana
    ?
  • ALT2:... that former Indian Prime minister
    Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh
    of the south" (Jallianwala Bagh massacre was a major turning point for the Indian freedom struggle when British ordered firing on peaceful protesters killing 379 and injuring 1,200).

• WP:GOCE, though that may be slower. The lead would normally not require citations, but in this case the lead is saying something different from the body, which itself is another issue (the body only mentions hoisting the flag; not the "public movement to merge the Hyderabad State with India". There's neutrality issues, too. The Nizam was an authoritarian ruler, but even so "It was a civil revolt against the Nizam's tyrannical regime" is too much. When you're using sources from the web (as four of your five seem to be) you really should be providing the url of the story you are using. Also, what is "Itihasa Samachar", and why is it a reliable source? Finally, you really need to check the article through, because even without the sources I found one factual inaccuracy: Advani was never Prime Minister, only deputy Prime Minister. Vanamonde (talk
  ) 07:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• The lead is small but it is not contradicting the body, updated the first sentence as per your suggestion, also requested at goce. Itihasa Samachar is a journal, I got access to the offline copy that is how I researched the subject. I can upload scan of the article if needed. The source had deputy only, it is my mistake in hurry.
  Talk
  08:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• I will wait on the copy-edit, as the grammar is still an issue. You don't need to upload a scan for the journal; offline sources are fine; but in the cases where you are using online sources (all of the others) you should provide a url. Vanamonde (talk) 09:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, copy-edit done and urls provided for online sources. Thanks!
  Talk
  04:03, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• @
  WP:ERRORS if this were on the main page. A better source would be good. Finally, please Vanamonde (talk
  ) 05:52, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• Provided one more source from
  Talk
  07:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• That's what I mean: the "according to eyewitnesses" is good enough, but a different source instead is also okay. Vanamonde (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• I have added "According to eyewitnesses" as per our discussion. Thanks!
  Talk
  07:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• The hook is still a bit iffy in that folks who don't know what the Amritsar massacre was would have to click on the link, but there's no way to clarify that without becoming exceptionally wordy, so I'd say it's okay. Hook checks out, supported by the sources. Article verifiability and neutrality issues have been addressed. No copyvios that I can find. New enough, long enough. No QPQ required, no image is used. Good to go. Vanamonde (talk) 07:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

• csdnew
  23:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• @
  Talk
  07:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Honestly, I'm not a fan of this hook. Politicians use things to launch agitations all the time; and this isn't a campaign that has any particular significance. I think you should modify the original: add a sentence or two about Jallianwallah bagh to the article (you could say something like "Narasimha Rao called it the "Jallianwallah Bagh of the south", referring to ...etc" or even put it in a footnote) and then add a short descriptor to the hook. Vanamonde (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• Added one more alternative accordingly, I don't know how to type footnote or integrate it into main text, can you please help with that?
  Talk
  08:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Vanamonde93: With the information we have in the article, are you thinking about something like this?
• ALT3: ... that former Indian prime minister
  Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh of the south", referring to the British slaughter of 379 peaceful protesters? Yoninah (talk
  ) 21:23, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

This can probably be rephrased further since the subject-verb agreement might be off here (i.e. does the British slaughter refer to Parkala or to Jallianwala?). Of course, the hyperlinks would help solve that issue, but it can still be a bit vague at first glance.

csdnew

00:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Yes, your proposed ALT3 is along the lines of what I was suggesting, though I would replace "379" with "several hundred", because there's significant disagreement among RS as to total casualties. I'm still not too happy with ALT1; as I said, political parties launch agitations over any damn thing; but I won't stand in the way if that is your preferred hook. Vanamonde (talk) 05:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• @Vanamonde93: no, I agree with you about ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 how about
• ALT4: ... that former Indian prime minister
  Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh of the south", referring to the earlier British slaughter of hundreds of peaceful protesters? Yoninah (talk
  ) 19:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• Better:
• ALT5: .. that former Indian prime minister
  Parkala Massacre of 22 victims in 1947 to the Jallianwala Bagh massacre of hundreds of peaceful protesters by the British in 1919? Yoninah (talk
  ) 20:30, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• ALT4 is better, ALT5 is too long and not hooky enough. Though I suppose that in ALT4, 1919 could be added to the hook somewhere for contextual reasons.
  csdnew
  21:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• OK:
• ALT4a: ... that former Indian prime minister
  Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh of the south", referring to the 1919 British slaughter of hundreds of peaceful protesters? Yoninah (talk
  ) 23:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

csdnew

00:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)